The Stephan trial and evidence-based healthcare

[troutman]

One Judge dissented so they can try for leave to appeal to the SCC.

[MBates]

Originally Posted by troutman

One Judge dissented so they can try for leave to appeal to the SCC.

Automatic right to appeal on issues of law on which the one judge dissented.

In most cases, appeals are heard by the Court only if leave to appeal is given. Such leave, or permission, will be given by the Court when a case involves a question of public importance.

There are cases, however, where leave is not required. In criminal cases, there is an automatic right of appeal where an acquittal has been set aside in the provincial court of appeal or where one judge in the provincial court of appeal dissents on a question of law. In addition, the Supreme Court of Canada has a special kind of "Reference" jurisdiction, original in character, given by s. 53 of the Supreme Court Act. The Governor in Council (federal government) may refer to the Court, for its opinion, constitutional or other questions.

http://www.scc-csc.ca/contact/faq/qa-qr-eng.aspx#f14

[troutman]

Thanks for explaining that better MBates.

'No room for justice': David Stephan posts tirade after conviction upheld in son's meningitis death

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgar...book-1.4404690

[CaptainCrunch]

Oh good god, I really felt physically ill reading his ignorant whining.

Here's the biggest piece of truth David, you and your wife killed your kid because your uneducated idiots, who put your pride and your beliefs over your kids life.

I wish there was a sentence called every square inch.

In otherwords, "We find you guilty and sentence you to having every square inch of your a$$ kicked"

Or

"We find you guilty and sentence you to having every square inch of your voodoo medicine store burned to the ground"

These people were never sorry, their little plea's in court were written by their lawyers and read by un-repentant morons. the fact that this woman is allowed to have a kid is fine, but there should be incredibly strict conditions put in place for that kid's welfare. \


And of course he falls back on the whole conspiracy theory thing, because these people that don't believe in medical science because they believe its all a plot by big pharma to enslave the human race as a food source are the same people that to this day join truther movements.

I hope the prosecutors work to get the book thrown at these two.

They murdered their kid, they might have been good intentioned, but they might as well have pulled a gun out and shot the kid.

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Here's the biggest piece of truth David, you and your wife killed your kid because your uneducated idiots, who put your pride and your beliefs over your kids life.

Did you see the part where they have another kid on the way in just a few days?

[CaptainCrunch]

Yeah, I did, unfortunately unless they find a way to put conditions on the new kid, there's nothing they can do.

I cringed reading through the comments on that face book article.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by chemgear

Did you see the part where they have another kid on the way in just a few days?

They should have gave him a vasectomy as part of the sentence.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by chemgear

Did you see the part where they have another kid on the way in just a few days?

and the part where it was said they received $150,000 in donations.
that really sucks too. so many people support their horrible lifestyle that so much money was donated.

[Minnie]

Just saw on Twitter - Lovett gets 3 year jail sentence

Tracy Nagai @TracyNagai BREAKING: Tamara Lovett sentenced to 3 years in prison.

[OMG!WTF!]

There are so many people who support this nonsense it's unreal. I have a friend who is dying to get me to be friends with her healing guru on facebook. The first thing that came across my FB feed was "transgendered people are all pedophiles and just need better nutrition". Next "sunscreen causes skin cancer". Then "vaccines cause autism". Followed by "What beautiful and brave souls the Stephan family are". And now "Tamara Lovett is being railroaded by a corrupt system just like the Stephans" And finally "no one is born with a deficiency of medication or vaccines".

And people believe this horse sh't. They line up to buy her garbage at her garbage store. F'ing magic gold pills for 9k dollars a bottle. As long as her info comes from alternative media she thinks it's true. She even uses MD in her name to make herself sound like a doctor. I hate it so much. Ironically her "journey to healing" started when a hunk of concrete fell on her head. Now I get it.

[calf]

Originally Posted by OMG!WTF!

And people believe this horse sh't. They line up to buy her garbage at her garbage store. F'ing magic gold pills for 9k dollars a bottle.

Can't trust big pharma, they're only in it for the money.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by OMG!WTF!

There are so many people who support this nonsense it's unreal. I have a friend who is dying to get me to be friends with her healing guru on facebook. The first thing that came across my FB feed was "transgendered people are all pedophiles and just need better nutrition". Next "sunscreen causes skin cancer". Then "vaccines cause autism". Followed by "What beautiful and brave souls the Stephan family are". And now "Tamara Lovett is being railroaded by a corrupt system just like the Stephans" And finally "no one is born with a deficiency of medication or vaccines".

And people believe this horse sh't. They line up to buy her garbage at her garbage store. F'ing magic gold pills for 9k dollars a bottle. As long as her info comes from alternative media she thinks it's true. She even uses MD in her name to make herself sound like a doctor. I hate it so much. Ironically her "journey to healing" started when a hunk of concrete fell on her head. Now I get it.

I weep for humanity.

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

and the part where it was said they received $150,000 in donations.
that really sucks too. so many people support their horrible lifestyle that so much money was donated.

Well, I was originally hoping that this would be tied off quickly and them sentenced to jail.

Now upon additional consideration, I'd be okay with this dragging out long and hard with their legal fee situation.

[NuclearFart]

Originally Posted by Minnie

Just saw on Twitter - Lovett gets 3 year jail sentence

The crown should also go after the idiot(s) who sold her the remedies.

[Minnie]

Originally Posted by NuclearFart

The crown should also go after the idiot(s) who sold her the remedies.

I think so as well. Practicing medicine without a license or whatever they can grab them on.

I'm glad the judge said he didn't believe her when she said she didn't know better. How the hell you reach the age of 48 and "don't know better" is a ridiculous assertion. Even a parent who is a shill for Big Pharma knows if the Big Pharma meds aren't working, you take your kid back to the doc and get stuff that does. And, if things reach a critical stage, you go to the mothereffing hospital, you don't keep treating with FOOD. My SIL is big into natural remedies but even she has taken herself off to the evil doctor for toxic medications this past week, because her natural remedies weren't working.

Didn't know better my round white backside. Too wound up in her own self importance more like and her child paid the price for it.

[NuclearFart]

Originally Posted by Minnie

I think so as well. Practicing medicine without a license or whatever they can grab them on.

I'm glad the judge said he didn't believe her when she said she didn't know better. How the hell you reach the age of 48 and "don't know better" is a ridiculous assertion. Even a parent who is a shill for Big Pharma knows if the Big Pharma meds aren't working, you take your kid back to the doc and get stuff that does. And, if things reach a critical stage, you go to the mothereffing hospital, you don't keep treating with FOOD. My SIL is big into natural remedies but even she has taken herself off to the evil doctor for toxic medications this past week, because her natural remedies weren't working.

Didn't know better my round white backside. Too wound up in her own self importance more like and her child paid the price for it.

Some of this is just natural selection trying to take its course, but it's an absolute travesty when they harm someone else.

It's also an increased burden on healthcare when these idiots put off appropriate early medical care for an extended period to go "natural", but then eventually show up on the hospital doorstep with advanced disease looking for salvage. Many afflictions can be treated early for relatively simple and comparatively cheap cost.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by NuclearFart

The crown should also go after the idiot(s) who sold her the remedies.

Why would the government go after something they approved to give a formalized designation as a recognized profession?

http://www.cnda.net/

The "ND" designation is just another continuing trend in Alberta of allowing woo-peddling quacks to pay off the government for fake credentials. See: chiropractors in the 90s.

[NuclearFart]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Why would the government go after something they approved to give a formalized designation as a recognized profession?

http://www.cnda.net/

The "ND" designation is just another continuing trend in Alberta of allowing woo-peddling quacks to pay off the government for fake credentials. See: chiropractors in the 90s.

I agree with your sentiment on the government actively enabling the charlatans, but that's a side issue.

Professional recognition doesn't protect a practitioner from negligence/incompetence causing harm.

[OldDutch]

This guy has a narsasissm issue that cost his son his life. It’s plain as day. If you look at any pictures of him he is ready front and center to pose. I saw he is appearing in ads as some kind of psudo celebrity for herbal pills.

The guy is at best a huckster at worst a narsasist cult of personality type. Its clear to me everything has to be about him.

I wished it was more rare to see these type of people. However, I dated a girl as a teeenager who attended a fringe Christian church. These guys are very much out there, the Jesus complex types. I only hope he gets locked up for a long time, but on second thought that will only make him a martyr to his flock.

[troutman]

Stephan parents planning Supreme Court challenge of conviction in son's death


http://calgaryherald.com/news/provin...1-9399958b19df