Tkachuk is clearly far superior to Laine in basically every way at the present moment. Doesn't change that Laine was the consensus #2 in 2016. But Tkachuk probably makes a good case to change that today.
Laine has the best release in hockey along with Ovi. He had some struggles in the latter half of the season but his shot is superior to Tkachuk's.
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I'd say Tkachuk's skill at deflections and in front of the net outweighs Laine's shot quite a bit. And Matthews has a much better release.
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Personally I think he does, that drag to bring the puck closer to his body and then the smooth flick he does is incredible for changing the angle on the goalie. Wish I could pull up a video but I'm on mobile
I live in Ottawa, I see a ton of games too
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I guess the question is, would I trade Chucky straight up for Laine? I don't think I would, so I guess I take Chucky over Laine, although that shot Laine has is really hard to give up on.
I think Laine is still ahead, even after last season. However, one more repeat of near PPG Tkachuk and awful Laine puts Tkachuk ahead. What Tkachuk brings in terms of intangibles and grit is tough to beat.
I still can't believe both Edmonton and Vancouver passed on Tkachuk.
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For all the intangibles and grit, tkatchuk was a complete non-factor in his 2 playoff runs.
Laine is a 30 goal scorer in a down year for him. Is there toom for growth in his game outside of scoring? Absolutely. I don't know enough about the player to comment on his drive and motivation to get there.
I think I'd be down for a laine for tkatchuk 1 for 1,not that it's even the question.
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For all the intangibles and grit, tkatchuk was a complete non-factor in his 2 playoff runs.
No. Not a complete non-factor.
Tkachuk was awesome in Game #1 of the first round this year, and he was also very good in Game #2; while I suppose this is splitting hairs a bit, clarity in language is important, and Tkachuk is still only 21-years-old. I have no concerns whatsoever about his ability to play in big games. Sometimes it takes players a while to figure it all out—Tkachuk is just way too smart and skilled to not improve.
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For how much "better" he is, Laine is only 10 points ahead of Tkachuk 3 years later, with 13 games in-hand (they have the same point per game rate over 3 years).
The only thing Laine does better than Tkachuk is shoot the puck, and that's hard to beat. He's a monster on the powerplay. You need goals to win, so it's basically saying "the only thing Laine does better is the more important part of the game."
That said, I see no reason for Winnipeg or Calgary to be even remotely unhappy with the player they got. Matthews is in a class by himself. Laine, Tkachuk, and Dubois are all in the same tier of player imo. Keller, McAvoy, Sergachev in the next. Jost, Chychrun, DeBrincat after that, etc.
The best thing about the 2016 draft is that we not only got one of the top 4 players drafting at #6, but that BOTH Edmonton and Vancouver completely flubbed their top 5 picks. What a wonderful day that was.
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How many goals will Tkachuk and Laine score this year?
Laine had a rough year, I wouldn't be surprised to see him get back to 40+ goals this year if he doesn't miss any time in camp. I wouldn't be surprised if he reaches 50 and does it a few times over his career.
Tkachuk... well, if you follow his trend, he'll have exactly 43... unfortunately trends don't work out that way. He'll get another 30-35 goals, he'll put up more assists, and he'll agitate and draw many penalties. I've seen enough of Tkachuk to know that we want him to stay in Calgary for his entire career. He is the type of player who contributes heavily to a winning atmosphere.
I wouldn't balk at having Laine though. You don't want to turn down pure goal scorerers, but I don't watch enough of him to know what his entire game is about. So it's hard for me to say which player I would have rather drafted at #2 based on what they've done so far. Based on potential I'd still go with Laine. It is still too early in their careers to definitely say one way or the other who will be better or more accomplished. My money is still on Laine, but who knows what will happen over the course of their careers.
Keith was a 50-goal scorer. Matt is more of a playmaker but he still has incredible hockey sense in tight. 40 should be easily attainable and I honestly don't think 50 is out of the question.
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If you look back at those threads I was a pretty big Tkachuk supporter. I was hoping we’d trade up to 4 to get him (we almost did). I wanted one of Dubois or Tkachuk but preferred Tkachuk. Tkachuk has blossomed into everything I hoped he would. You could see his potential in Marner highlight videos lol. Oh man those silly arguments that he was a product of Marner/Dvorak!
It was hard to go wrong that draft even though we didn’t land in the coveted top 3. The ledge after that had some potential star or core players.
For how much "better" he is, Laine is only 10 points ahead of Tkachuk 3 years later, with 13 games in-hand (they have the same point per game rate over 3 years).
The only thing Laine does better than Tkachuk is shoot the puck, and that's hard to beat. He's a monster on the powerplay. You need goals to win, so it's basically saying "the only thing Laine does better is the more important part of the game."
That said, I see no reason for Winnipeg or Calgary to be even remotely unhappy with the player they got. Matthews is in a class by himself. Laine, Tkachuk, and Dubois are all in the same tier of player imo. Keller, McAvoy, Sergachev in the next. Jost, Chychrun, DeBrincat after that, etc.
The best thing about the 2016 draft is that we not only got one of the top 4 players drafting at #6, but that BOTH Edmonton and Vancouver completely flubbed their top 5 picks. What a wonderful day that was.
Agree with everything here except your view on Debrincat. He is much better than Chychrun, Jost, Sergachev, and Keller. He is almost right up there with the big dogs. Huge steal by Chicago.
