Jessica Yaniv case

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by PostandIn

He's right and he shouldn't have backed down.

Our culture's pretty fataed if we're having serious discussions on whether or not 3 year old's have the capacity to make appropriate life-altering decisions for themselves.

[Ark2]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Lopez is an idiot for giving Owens/Prager U the time of day, and his comments come from a place of obvious ignorance.

Nah, he's actually right. Pretty shocking that there are people that find his comments controversial. I feel sorry for their kids.

[Matata]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Dr. Deborah Soh has written some great op eds on these topics based on actual neurological research rather than rhetoric. Unfortunately, it has also been met with backlash since it fails to adhere entirely to some people's ideas of what is politically correct.

I highly recommend the read, even if you think you might not agree with her.

Bonus: She's Canadian.

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-e...210-story.html

The temptation will always be there, as you can transist so much better if you do it before puberty, and there are lots or stories of people who wish they could have transited while younger. Maybe there is a way to refine the psychological analysis that you can eliminate the ones that would change their mind, but you'd have to risk a whole ton of people who regret it in order to collect the data. I just can't see how a reasonable person could do that to their child.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Ark2

Nah, he's actually right. Pretty shocking that there are people that find his comments controversial. I feel sorry for their kids.

No, he's conflating people who don't force their children to conform to gender norms with the very uncommon occurrence of parents allowing pre-pubescent children to transition (I haven't even heard of a 3 year old physically transitioning).

It's hyperbolic bull####.

[Northendzone]

I assume that this person has likely had to deal with a lot of mental issues and scorn from society, but is this really the hill you want die on as you try to move the transsexual community further along. Because you have no sympathy from me. If you want your stuff waxed there are places that specifically offer that service. Don’t go seeking it out to test the waters.

I equate this to going to Home Depot and getting mad because they don’t sell milk and bread.

Also, I find it laughable that this person claims they have outdoor plumbing but yet could get pregnant.

I also read that the technique for men differs due to the skin on the scrotum being very thin. Do you really want someone who is not trained to do this job - or do you have another lawsuit in the chamber for that situation as well.

This person needs to just go away asi can’t imagine they are bringing positive attention to this community

[CaptainCrunch]

It feels like Yaniv who has filed a ton of HRC against these errrr waxers and has posted racist and anti-immigration rants on line before is using the HRC to go after immigrants running these businesses.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

Again, you are diverting. See, regardless of what you think that I do and don't give about transgender issues, my point was different. I think that there will come time, soon, when women-only service providers will be required by law to provide services to people with male genitalia. Ridiculous cases like this one support my assumption. My original post was to see what others think about this possibility. As usual, you've managed to turn what could have been an interesting (and funny) discussion into another one of your little wars, where either I have to keep defending myself, instead of my arguments, or just say f...k it . Good job. Oh, and please, not the eyebrow!

Oh... no.... your one chance at a little weekend transgender fun has been ruined by me. The horror....

But seriously, you seem to be the only one affected. Thread’s ticking along just fine if you want to get in your funny transgender jollies and talk human rights. Sometimes someone might pop in and say something you don’t love, that’s life.

The bolded, in my opinion, is the reason context matters and why you can just ignore the person or ignore the situation, as much as you’d like to to make a point. If anything, cases like this (a vile, racist sexual predator abusing the HRT to push their personal agenda) make it actually less likely for this to be law, as I believe Yaniv will fail, and I believe his failure will be used as precedent to show that no, you do not have to wax balls if you wax a vag.

You’ve got this person who should most certainly be on some watch list and kept away from children, who also happens to be taking up a “cause” in the worst possible way, setting back the human rights effort for people who are actually just trying to live a normal, decent life. Yes, I know, I know, it doesn’t fit the funny narrative you were curating. But that’s the bummer of a reality.

[Ark2]

Interesting question: should trans-women have access to rape shelters for women?

A Vancouver organization that provides shelter and services for rape victims and women fleeing domestic violence has become the target of violent graffiti.

On Tuesday, staff with the Vancouver Rape Relief and Women’s Shelter (VRRWS), Canada’s oldest rape crisis centre, arrived to find graffiti scrawled across the windows of the organization’s Kingsway education centre, including the messages “TERFS go home you are not welcome” and “Kill TERFS.”

TERF is an acronym referring to “trans-exclusionary radical feminism.”

According to VRRWS, someone had also previously nailed a dead rat to the door of its Kingsway education centre.

https://globalnews.ca/news/5824446/v...lter-graffiti/

[CaptainCrunch]

I think I'm not smart enough on the subject. But I think that yeah they should be given access. I don't know if there is a support network for trans who have experienced Rape or Violence. I get that the woman in the shelter could be uncomfortable with a Trans woman because of the gender question, but wouldn't they all be there for the same reason? To be protected from violence?

[afc wimbledon]

There was a case of a foster home in the UK that kept discovering their kids (under 12) were Trans, it was pretty much Munchhousen by Proxy with a twist, if you have trans kids you get all sorts of back patting and attention, they got fired in the end thank god.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Ark2

Interesting question: should trans-women have access to rape shelters for women?



https://globalnews.ca/news/5824446/v...lter-graffiti/

There are many shelters in Vancouver with different policies. With respect to VRR, absolutely not to your question, and this has been tested in court.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I think I'm not smart enough on the subject. But I think that yeah they should be given access. I don't know if there is a support network for trans who have experienced Rape or Violence. I get that the woman in the shelter could be uncomfortable with a Trans woman because of the gender question, but wouldn't they all be there for the same reason? To be protected from violence?

depends on the level of transition, and it also depends on the other residents to some degree, you are not protecting women if you make one group so uncomfortable they do not use the shelter in order to allow a massively smaller group in, that all said trans women should have some where safe to go, it just doesn't have to be at a woman's shelter

[Ark2]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I think I'm not smart enough on the subject. But I think that yeah they should be given access. I don't know if there is a support network for trans who have experienced Rape or Violence. I get that the woman in the shelter could be uncomfortable with a Trans woman because of the gender question, but wouldn't they all be there for the same reason? To be protected from violence?

By this same logic, shouldn't men that are the victims of domestic violence also be given access?

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Ark2

By this same logic, shouldn't men that are the victims of domestic violence also be given access?

If they identify as women, yes.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

If they identify as women, yes.

Of course this will completely destroy women's shelters as a place of safety

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Of course this will completely destroy women's shelters as a place of safety

Do we want equality for the trans community or not?

Or do we need to have men’s shelters, women’s shelters, men who identify as women shelters and women who identify as men shelters?

Do we expect men who identify as women to use the men’s shelter which caters to men and may not be able to sufficiently help?

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Do we want equality for the trans community or not?

Or do we need to have men’s shelters, women’s shelters, men who identify as women shelters and women who identify as men shelters?

Do we expect men who identify as women to use the men’s shelter which caters to men and may not be able to sufficiently help?

The largest rape crisis centre in BC caters to both cis and trans women.

https://www.wavaw.ca/

VRR is a specialized centre with services catered to very traumatized women and need to restrict their services in order to create a very safe space for these vulnerable women.

This right has been defended and upheld in court.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Do we want equality for the trans community or not?

Or do we need to have men’s shelters, women’s shelters, men who identify as women shelters and women who identify as men shelters?

Do we expect men who identify as women to use the men’s shelter which caters to men and may not be able to sufficiently help?

I think it’d be reasonable and more helpful to have a type of shelter or support centre of that kind directly set up for the LGBTQ community. I think conventional men’s or women’s shelters are insufficiently able to provide help for some of the unique circumstances faced by the community.

Equality also doesn’t mean “fit us into the box.” It means equal rights, equal access to resources, etc. It’s just giving people access to the same sort of help, not necessarily in the same place.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I think it’d be reasonable and more helpful to have a type of shelter or support centre of that kind directly set up for the LGBTQ community. I think conventional men’s or women’s shelters are insufficiently able to provide help for some of the unique circumstances faced by the community.

Equality also doesn’t mean “fit us into the box.” It means equal rights, equal access to resources, etc. It’s just giving people access to the same sort of help, not necessarily in the same place.

As I pointed out above, that kind of service already exists in Vancouver.

[you&me]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I think it’d be reasonable and more helpful to have a type of shelter or support centre of that kind directly set up for the LGBTQ community. I think conventional men’s or women’s shelters are insufficiently able to provide help for some of the unique circumstances faced by the community.

Equality also doesn’t mean “fit us into the box.” It means equal rights, equal access to resources, etc. It’s just giving people access to the same sort of help, not necessarily in the same place.

Agreed, that's a very reasonable and logical way of looking at the situation.

Sometimes I find it hard to keep track of who's upset by what...So, who's upset about this, vandalizing the VRRWS? A trans-person that's been denied services? Someone that's opposed to the VRRWS denying services to trans-people?