2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I don't see any world where the Flames see that centre depth as sustainable for a whole season. I don't think they view Ruzicka as NHL-ready just yet.

They'd probably look at guys like Nate Thompson or Johan Larsson on the cheap in UFA before they let that happen for an extended period of time.

I hope the Flames have a player in Ruzicka but it’s silly to give him a permanent spot based on hope.

[flamesfan55]

Originally Posted by David Struch

Gaudreau sent home for Voracek, Gostisbehere + Tanner Laczynski (future Captain)
Hanifin to Devils for 18th & 20th - not in long term plans
Bennett will be happier in TO
Jankowski can be had for future considerations
Ryan sent away, not in coaches plans, relegated to 4th line
Rittich leaves too, time for Zagidulin
Kylington is the deal sweetener, not in coaches plans either

Hall (7.0) - Monahan - Voracek
Tkachuk - Backlund - Lindholm
Dubé - Laczynski - Mangiapane (2.25)
Lucic - Ruzicka - Reider (.700)

Giordano - Andersson
Gostisbehere - Vatanen (4.875)
Välimäki - Mackey

Markstrom (4.5)
Zagidulin

Cap Hit: $79,890,832
Buyouts: $2,666,667
Bonuses: $947,500
Cap Space: $1,609,168

The Johnny trade is AWFUL, Ryan has been a great signing and isnt going anywhere, you aren't getting 2 top 20 first round picks for Hanifin and Markstrom isn't signing for 4.5M.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by flamesfan55

The Johnny trade is AWFUL, Ryan has been a great signing and isnt going anywhere, you aren't getting 2 top 20 first round picks for Hanifin and Markstrom isn't signing for 4.5M.

But other than those 4 insignificant points, how do you like it LOL.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by flamesfan55

The Johnny trade is AWFUL, Ryan has been a great signing and isnt going anywhere, you aren't getting 2 top 20 first round picks for Hanifin and Markstrom isn't signing for 4.5M.

While I agree most of it is bad, I'm not sure why Markstrom taking 500k less than Lehner is egregious enough to even bring up. If someone give Markstrom 6 years a 500k lower AAV is far from inconceivable

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

While I agree most of it is bad, I'm not sure why Markstrom taking 500k less than Lehner is egregious enough to even bring up. If someone give Markstrom 6 years a 500k lower AAV is far from inconceivable

With the cap being what it is this year and many teams handcuffed by it, you may be right.

In a normal off season though, I suspect Markstrom would get much much more than 5 M a year, nevermind less.

The G market this next couple weeks is absolutely fascinating to me.

Who blinks first? A GM scared of missing out on one of the plethora of upper tier UFA G's or one of the top tier UFA G's who want some sense of security and to secure a job moving forward.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

While I agree most of it is bad, I'm not sure why Markstrom taking 500k less than Lehner is egregious enough to even bring up. If someone give Markstrom 6 years a 500k lower AAV is far from inconceivable

Likely because the Canucks have likely offered him more.


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[Robbob]

I think people also need to realize that a lot of this trade talk is just that, talk and rumours. I think some insiders take a fair bit of liberty or leaps that just snowball. Same sort of thing happened last off season where apparently Flames were shopping Bennett hard, which Treliving denied and was a little pissed because he had to call up Sam and talk to him.

I still think that Gaudreau plays another year unless an over-payment comes at the draft. I don't think Trelving can afford to trade Gaudreau and miss out on Hall, if that is the plan. If the team guts itself for draft picks and prospects, that probably doesn't send the message you want to a UFA looking to sign.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Likely because the Canucks have likely offered him more.


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I'm not sure how likely that is with a flat cap and also trying to re-sign Toffoli and Tanev. Even if they have offered him more, with the expansion draft coming up, Markstrom is looking at potentially being exposed by the Canucks; so it is very likely he is seeking an NMC to protect him from that scenario. If the Canucks aren't willing to give in to that demand, they will have to offer him more money. And that doesn't even factor in next summer when Demko, Pettersson & Quinn are all up for new deals and will pretty easily go from sub-3m combined to 15m combined, so I'm not even sure the Canucks will be willing to offer him term and a higher AAV.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by transplant99

With the cap being what it is this year and many teams handcuffed by it, you may be right.

In a normal off season though, I suspect Markstrom would get much much more than 5 M a year, nevermind less.

The G market this next couple weeks is absolutely fascinating to me.

Who blinks first? A GM scared of missing out on one of the plethora of upper tier UFA G's or one of the top tier UFA G's who want some sense of security and to secure a job moving forward.

There really isn't a plethora of top tier FA goalies though. There is Markstrom and.......? I know Lehner is still technically a pending UFA but the only reason his deal isn't official is because it would put the Knights over the cap for next season; for all intents and purposes, it is completed. Everyone else is at least a tier below, and two top tier guys are rumored to be available via trade, one making 4.5m for two more years while the cap is flat. So I feel like teams will look at that number too and say 4.5m+1st is better than signing for more than 5.5m

[Canada 02]

there are few teams that don't need to add at least one goalie, and the few that have two seem to want to trade one

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

there are few teams that don't need to add at least one goalie, and the few that have two seem to want to trade one

and some, well one anyways, with 2, that are rumored to want a 3rd

[sureLoss]

Frank Seravalli @frank_seravalli
Sounds like there has indeed been significant interest in teams trading for Torey Krug's rights (@RearAdBsBlog on the case). My belief is last offer from #NHLBruins to Krug's camp was 6 years x $6.5 million.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I s'pose. Anything can happen. FWIW he's nowhere to be found on Corey Pronman's rankings either (https://theathletic.com/2034929/2020...elphia-flyers/, 17 players ranked)

He's an honourable mention on Scott Wheeler's (https://theathletic.com/1581033/2020...elphia-flyers/) with 20 guys ahead of him.

You can diss SB if you want but those guys probably actually watch the Flyers' kids way more than we do. I know Wheeler and Pronman do.

Anywho. I think a deal like this makes a fair amount of sense.

Gaudreau for the Flyers' 2020 1st, Frost, Zamula, Aube-Kubel, and Gostisbehere.

Gives the Flames another pick in a deep draft, a really good C and D prospect each, a young RHS winger with grit and decent scoring, and a D who has been really good in the past. Tons of upside there.

Going for Matt Strome would be another Hanowski-esque mistake, IMO. The Flames got Hanowski and Agostino for Iginla when neither guy was considered a top-10 guy in Pitt's prospect pool.

To me Gostisbehere has negative value, especially at that contract and that term. He is Marc Andre Bergeron in his prime without the defensive presence.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

He is Marc Andre Bergeron in his prime without the defensive presence.

So he's Marc Andre Bergeron....

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Frank Seravalli @frank_seravalli
Sounds like there has indeed been significant interest in teams trading for Torey Krug's rights (@RearAdBsBlog on the case). My belief is last offer from #NHLBruins to Krug's camp was 6 years x $6.5 million.

Hopefully Vegas lands him. Then Toronto trades for Dumba. Then because those destinations are gone we land Pietro.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

While I agree most of it is bad, I'm not sure why Markstrom taking 500k less than Lehner is egregious enough to even bring up. If someone give Markstrom 6 years a 500k lower AAV is far from inconceivable

Lehner giving Vegas a bargain has nothing to do with Markstrom...he is the top UFA goalie you aren't going to get him for a bargain in Calgary

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Lehner giving Vegas a bargain has nothing to do with Markstrom...he is the top UFA goalie you aren't going to get him for a bargain in Calgary

Until other contracts are signed this off-season, we have no idea whether Lehner is a bargain or not due to the flat cap.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

At this point in his career, Dube on the 4th line is a waste of his ability and development. He would be way better off playing wing on the third line than 4C and losing half his ice-time.

But I do want to try and add the winger depth to make Lindholm 2C and Backlund 3C.

Oh, I agree, but he’d be a better centre than those two options. And I do like Ryan but it seems like a lot to spend on a 4C when the likes of Gagner just signed for $850K.

[TheScorpion]

Ryan is way, way better than Gagner. He's not a 4C.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

Until other contracts are signed this off-season, we have no idea whether Lehner is a bargain or not due to the flat cap.

We already know that Vegas pays less for free agents than Calgary plus Lehner never actually tested the market. If Markstrom was willing to take 4.5 he would already be signed.