Francis: Ward should lose interim tag and be hired full-time

[Poe969]

If ward becomes the HC full time, the team will be average at best but at least it'll be fun guessing who picked the music at practice, and at the end of the day isn't that good enough?

No? People want the team to do well?? Ya, Ward shouldn't be the Head coach then.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Flamesforever99

If Ward somehow gets promoted to full-time head coach, I think I would already accept the teams fate for next season as once again being mediocre. IMO he should go or be demoted back to assistant coach, there are better options available (although management is cheap when it comes to head coaches) that we should look at. I don't think I can see another game of the team being down 1 late in the 3rd and Ward electing not to call TO without putting my flames jersey on the TV then smashing it.

Ward is an ASSOCIATE coach.

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[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Ward is an ASSOCIATE coach.

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Does that trigger you or something? I mean you know its serious when you whip out the all caps.

[Resolute 14]

It's also strange to whip out the all caps over a matter of semantics. An associate coach is functionally an assistant coach.

That said, you really can't go back to that well. If the team opts against making Ward the full time head coach, we pretty much have to walk away entirely and let him try to find a job as an HC somewhere else.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Ward is an ASSOCIATE coach.

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Assistant TO the Regional Manager!

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

It's also strange to whip out the all caps over a matter of semantics. An associate coach is functionally an assistant coach...

Functionally, yes. But more to the point I am a proponent of accuracy. The title carries with it a defined seniority and I would assume a higher salary. In other words, if the Flames and Ward both agreed to stay together even with the addition of a new HC, he most definitely would not be demoted all the way down to an assistant. Either the Flames let him go or he would walk away before that were to happen.

[Psytic]

Consistent playoff contender? Ill take it. Sign me up for BB. I dont even care if the Flames win the cup I just want to be a respectable team that is actually mentioned when discussion comes up about winning the the cup. They could be the Sharks of the of the last 10 yrs sans this year and ill take it at this point.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Functionally, yes. But more to the point I am a proponent of accuracy. The title carries with it a defined seniority and I would assume a higher salary. In other words, if the Flames and Ward both agreed to stay together even with the addition of a new HC, he most definitely would not be demoted all the way down to an assistant. Either the Flames let him go or he would walk away before that were to happen.

Seems like a weird thing to care about. People make verabal/typing mistakes all the time, you seem like the type to hammer down on that at every opportunity. To what end I don't really know. I think it probably just pisses people off honestly.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Psytic

Consistent playoff contender? Ill take it. Sign me up for BB. I dont even care if the Flames win the cup I just want to be a respectable team that is actually mentioned when discussion comes up about winning the the cup. They could be the Sharks of the of the last 10 yrs sans this year and ill take it at this point.

No kidding. It's like some people haven't been paying attention to just how bad the flames have been for 30 years now. It's why I generally don't post in e=ng. They are like the one team that has had less success. It's like watching the two loser, unemployed brothers in a rich family fight over who is less bad lol. Some funny stuff in there I guess but people in glass houses probably shouldn't throw stones.

Honestly the constant lack of any real success has drained me. I've been watching this team for 30 years and I'm just completely bored by them at this point. Combined with how our ownership acted during arena negotiations and the covid19 thing with its employees, I've lost alot of fandom for this franchise since the BT 'rebuild'. There was so much promise in 2013, a new beginning. Instead it's just the same old flames by 2020 after 7 years of questionable desicion making. We are tapped out, average and have a shallow asset pool to work with still after 7 years worth of time to fix the problem. And apparently have a bunch of a-holes for owners judging by some of their actions. Honestly I'm really curious about Seattle and might try to get in on the ground level there. Good chance they make it to round 3 several times before the flames do and they don't even exist yet lol

[Enoch Root]

As if we needed more proof, this is proof positive that Francis has ABSOLUTELY no idea what he is talking about.

[dino7c]

Some people realize that BB making the playoffs with stacked Washington and Anaheim teams doesn't mean the Flames would have had similar success with him behind the bench.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Some people realize that BB making the playoffs with stacked Washington and Anaheim teams doesn't mean the Flames would have had similar success with him behind the bench.

Better hire the guy with no success at any level then. Seriously what was Treliving thinking on those two hires? Lets snag two guys that either no track record or a losing track record. The fact that goofus was his top choice after a thorough search says so much. Then he doesnt even conduct a search at all on the next guy and zeroes in on a guy who is a loser at every level.

I'm thinking Boudreau would have at least made the playoffs each year and probably would have won more than one lousy playoff game in 4 seasons.

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[timbit]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

Better hire the guy with no success at any level then. Seriously what was Treliving thinking on those two hires? Lets snag two guys that either no track record or a losing track record. The fact that goofus was his top choice after a thorough search says so much. Then he doesnt even conduct a search at all on the next guy and zeroes in on a guy who is a loser at every level.

I'm thinking Boudreau would have at least made the playoffs each year and probably would have won more than one lousy playoff game in 4 seasons.

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Kinda like Craig Berube?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by timbit

Kinda like Craig Berube?

Craig Berube was an assistant head coach for the Blues who was moved to interim head coach exactly how it played out for Ward. Not exactly sure what point you are making.

[dino7c]

Its a valid point the reigning Stanley Cup winning coach had no previous head coaching experience in the NHL

[Toonage]

He coached the Flyers.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Craig Berube was an assistant head coach for the Blues who was moved to interim head coach exactly how it played out for Ward. Not exactly sure what point you are making.

Exactly the point you are making.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Toonage

He coached the Flyers.

I stand corrected but looking at his numbers it makes his point more valid

Berube had a terrible record with the Flyers (.429 winning %) so he took over the Blues with limited head coaching experience and ZERO success.

And then won the cup

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I stand corrected but looking at his numbers it makes his point more valid

Berube had a terrible record with the Flyers (.429 winning %) so he took over the Blues with limited head coaching experience and ZERO success.

And then won the cup

When you have an okay but not top 10 roster like the Flames, you should probably hire the best coach available. The guy with the most extensive record of success in the NHL. I'm happy it worked out for berube and the blues but that doesn't mean promoting Ward here is a good idea or that goofus and racist were good hires.

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[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

When you have an okay but not top 10 roster like the Flames, you should probably hire the best coach available. The guy with the most extensive record of success in the NHL. I'm happy it worked out for berube and the blues but that doesn't mean promoting Ward here is a good idea or that goofus and racist were good hires.

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Look I'm not 100% on Ward either I just think BB is way over rated and has only done well in the regular season with top 3 type rosters.

You say the Flames don't have a top 10 roster yet since Ward took over the Flames have the 8th best record in the NHL.

So which is it? Did ward get more out of his roster (good coaching job) or do the Flames have a better than top 8 roster?