12-08-2017, 07:09 AM
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: The Armpit of BC: Trail
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I was pretty vocal about wanting Nich in that draft. I was OK with taking Monahan, but I felt he had the most bust potential, whereas Nich was more likely to hit his higher ceiling. I’ll take the crow for that, gladly.
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12-08-2017, 07:58 AM
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Lifetime Suspension
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I think Barkov is a great player as well, the thing is that its just really hard to score goals in the NHL today. Monahan is a talented and elite goal scorer who continues to improve his skills in other areas. I would argue that he has improved his all around skills more than any other player in that class, and in a redraft, with the possible exception of Nathan MacKinnon he would go first overall.
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12-08-2017, 08:18 AM
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Ass Handler
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Okotoks, AB
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Originally Posted by driveway
Some Monahan-math and overall goal-scoring comparisons.
At the beginning of the season, Monahan was scoring 0.335 goals per game for his career. Just slightly below guys like Patrick Marleau and Jason Spezza (.340), almost identical to Mike Camalleri (.336), and better than Bobby Ryan (.326), Henrik Zetterberg (.321), or Anze Kopitar (.320).
Since the beginning of the season, Monahan has been scoring a phenomenal .586 gpg -- slightly better than Brett Hull's career .584 -- this has lifted Monahan's overall pace to .356 gpg, barely below Joe Pavelski and Phil Kessel (.360) and above Eric Staal (.350). So if we just watched the best 29 goal scoring games of Monahan's career and he regresses to his current career average, he's going to come within spitting distance of Kessel's career numbers.
Should he manage to tear through the whole season at .586, he'd end the year with a career rate of .387 gpg. If he then continued scoring like that, leaving 2017-18 as his outlying goal-scoring peak, he'd end his career a hair's breadth below Corey Perry (.388) and a better goal scorer than Jeff Carter (.384), Patrick Kane (.384), James Neal (.381), or Tyler Seguin (.378).
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Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed
Monahan now has 9 career OT winners in 348 career games played.
In the entire history of the NHL - the next lowest number of games played by someone with at least 9 OT goals is Howie Morenz, who played in 550 games.
Among current players, the lowest number of games played to have at least 9 is Max Pacioretty - who has 10 in 592 games. Three seasons more worth of games.
Max Pacioretty, Frank Finnigan, Howie Morenz, and Sean Monahan are the only players in NHL history that have at least 8 OT goals and less than 600 games played.
Only 7 current players have at least 7 OT goals without having played 600 games, though Ryan O'Reilly at 598 games is about to go off that list. O'reilly (598 games), Pacioretty, Marchand (552 games), OEL (525 games), Hall (480 games), Tarasenko (370 games) and Monahan.
Going down to 6 OT goals in 600 games or less adds Backlund (490 games), David Jones (462 games), John Moore, and Galchenyuk.
No player with fewer than Monahan's 348 games has more than 4 OT goals. The lowest of these is Gostisbehere, with only 167 games played.
All time, Ovechkin has this season taken sole possession of 1st, he has 20 OT goals in his career, Jagr is second with 19.
Only 3 players in history have more than 15 (Elias had 16).
Only 15 players all time have more than 11, Jeff Carter and Daniel Briere are the only 2 of those who have played less than 1000 games.
Only 25 players all time have at least 11.
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Originally Posted by AC
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Some great posts in this thread. Thanks for doing the research, folks.
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12-08-2017, 08:24 AM
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by RM14
Wet blanket... 3 on 3 era is a completely different epoch
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We can put an * beside 3 vs 3 all we want. But at the end of the day, somebody, somewhere gets to be the guy at the top. Monahan is trending to possibly be that guy one day.
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12-08-2017, 09:14 AM
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by AC
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Yup, sure puts the lie to the garbage goal dependent on Gaudreau theory. But painful reminder of how stupid it was to waive Byron. Especially since it was basically to have Raymond who we're still paying not to play for us.
Last edited by Fan in Exile; 12-08-2017 at 09:16 AM.
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12-08-2017, 09:19 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Originally Posted by Huntingwhale
We can put an * beside 3 vs 3 all we want. But at the end of the day, somebody, somewhere gets to be the guy at the top. Monahan is trending to possibly be that guy one day.
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Yeah, you can't really complain about stats being affected by rule changes. Some of the greats of the past played shorter seasons, no OT at all, less PO games, weaker teams during high expansion eras, different rules about goalies, etc. Same goes for equipment changes. It happens.
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12-08-2017, 09:32 AM
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Calgary, AB
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Originally Posted by AC
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c'mon AC no spoilers to your video!!!
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