Potential Gaudreau trades: Rest of Eastern Conference Post#253

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

Backlund is elite defensively. Ryan is very good. Sam Bennett though? Bennett is not remotely good defensively and other than physical play and skating he s worse in every other aspect of the game.

Who am I referring to? That McDavid guy is a pretty terrible defensive player. Draisaitl is worse than Monahan in that regard. Matthews is poor defensively, so is Kuznetsov and that's just off the top of my head.

Bennett's backchecking was miles ahead of Jankowski's, and he was playing wing. He actually covered for our defensive specialist quite a bit.

[powderjunkie]

I've long said that Gaudreau's value is probably relatively stable whether he's traded now or at this final TDL based on the ED and his NTC. I thought last TDL might have been the time to get a bit more for him, and that it didn't necessarily preclude the Flames from being competitive in the playoffs, but I digress.

I still think sooner is better on the basis of the future assets involved coming to fruition for this team's new window (Tkachuk/Valimaki/Andersson/Dube/Mangi), but I think there is one other possible scenario: extend him at the first possible opportunity (Jul-1-2021 equivalent) and then trade him if so desired. You're still limited to his NTC

2022 free agency class has potential to be crazy (though I think most re-sign, there could still be a few huge fish). It's simple risk mitigation for both sides. You tend to save a few bucks on AAV by committing early, but there is a lot of value for a player to avoid the stress/uncertainty that comes with playing out the stretch towards UFA status.

I don't think it's very likely, but it's worth considering as an outside chance. I don't think an FMV extension increases JG's trade value by very much, but it takes the doomsday clock out of the picture.

[Vinny01]

With Rumors of the Habs being willing to trade 16 for a top 6 winger I think we need to consider them a potential fit for Gaudreau. I think they could put forth a very competitive offer around Domi, 16th overall, one of their many 2nds and a young D like Romanov

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

With Rumors of the Habs being willing to trade 16 for a top 6 winger I think we need to consider them a potential fit for Gaudreau. I think they could put forth a very competitive offer around Domi, 16th overall, one of their many 2nds and a young D like Romanov

Gaudreau could get Kotkaniemi and/or Suzuki scoring like he did with Monahan.

Don't think the Habs trade Romanov, but I posted earlier in this thread Gaudreau for Domi + 1st + 3rd + Primeau. My proposal was a 2021 1st but I would easily take the 2020 1st as this looks to be a deeper draft than normal.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Gaudreau could get Kotkaniemi and/or Suzuki scoring like he did with Monahan.

Don't think the Habs trade Romanov, but I posted earlier in this thread Gaudreau for Domi + 1st + 3rd + Primeau. My proposal was a 2021 1st but I would easily take the 2020 1st as this looks to be a deeper draft than normal.

I know some will disagree but a deal around Domi and the 16th pick would be a nice shakeup deal for the Flames imo. I think you get Domi for 6 years around 5.5M and he could slide into a center role.

The 16th pick along with 19 allows for a decent trade up or the ability to trade back at 19 and add assets as well while still picking in the first round.

Getting some help on D (especially expansion exempt) is a need so Romanov fits nicely there.

[Lanny_McDonald]

If Domi is the best asset coming back, that's a loser of a deal. Especially if you're only getting lottery tickets to go with it. You're likely getting players that are three to five years away from contributing at a high level, if they develop. Doesn't help this team that has an opportunity window right now. Frankly, Montreal is a terrible trading partner. They have very little they would move that the Flames need. I would look elsewhere, especially since you are unlikely to get the max value out of Gaudreau as the chance of him signing in Montreal once this contract us up seems pretty miniscule. And Domi at $5.5M? No thanks.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by New Era

If Domi is the best asset coming back, that's a loser of a deal. Especially if you're only getting lottery tickets to go with it. You're likely getting players that are three to five years away from contributing at a high level, if they develop. Doesn't help this team that has an opportunity window right now. Frankly, Montreal is a terrible trading partner. They have very little they would move that the Flames need. I would look elsewhere, especially since you are unlikely to get the max value out of Gaudreau as the chance of him signing in Montreal once this contract us up seems pretty miniscule. And Domi at $5.5M? No thanks.

I would think it is, at best, a guess which team would give the best value for Johnny.

Some teams will be hoping he can return to form. Others will offer based on his performance over the last 100 games.

It will be very interesting should the Flames be adamant in moving him. Of course, the offers and their value will determine what the Flames do.

Inevitably, the market will decide what he is worth.

[GioforPM]

I suspect you’d be look at a team which came close last season, but fell short due to a lack of scoring. A team that can improve on the powerplay. Columbus, Philly, maybe the Isles.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I suspect you’d be look at a team which came close last season, but fell short due to a lack of scoring. A team that can improve on the powerplay. Columbus, Philly, maybe the Isles.

What, IYO, is the best offer from each team , pretending you are the GM of each team?

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by timbit

What, IYO, is the best offer from each team , pretending you are the GM of each team?

I’d take Seth Jones for Johnny . Not that Columbus would do it.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

I’d take Seth Jones for Johnny . Not that Columbus would do it.

Well, I did preface it by saying “pretending you are the GM “ of the teams mentioned.

Pretty safe to say that’s not happening EVER!

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by timbit

What, IYO, is the best offer from each team , pretending you are the GM of each team?

I’m just no good at fantasy GM stuff.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

I’d take Seth Jones for Johnny . Not that Columbus would do it.

That’s for sure. Maybe at gunpoint?


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[Enoch Root]

The Flames should not be 'adamant' to trade him, however. That would be a mistake. Some people are looking at this as 'we are going to lose him to FA, so we have to get something'. That is overly simplistic, IMO.

We need to look at it as: what do we have now? And then we can conclude that any trade worth less than that is a bad trade.

If we do nothing, we have 2 years of a 1st line player at a very good cost. We also have an option of re-signing him. That option is of limited value of course, because, as many people believe, the chances of re-signing him are low. But if we don't, we have $6.75M in free cap space.

In other words, the minimum value for Johnny is two years of very good value, plus $6.75M in cap space when he is gone.

Any trade has to be worth more than that, and trading him for 'pieces' doesn't make any sense.

This is different than the Iginla trade. With Iginla, the team was rebuilding, so keeping him had little to no value. Therefore, any pieces acquired in trade was better than nothing.

But the Flames aren't rebuilding. The core is mostly in their prime. This is a team that is looking to add to the core, not break it down (whether you agree with that strategy or not is irrelevant, because that is what is happening). So two years of Johnny is VERY valuable. And if he walks, $6.75M is very valuable.

So trading him only makes sense if it improves the core NOW.

[442scotty]

I don’t know why people keep dreaming up trades for Gaudreau to teams like Montreal, Columbus etc when everyone and I mean everyone knows Johnny wants to be close to home and therefore no team other than about 4/5 in the Philly area will be stupid enough to trade for him.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by 442scotty

I don’t know why people keep dreaming up trades for Gaudreau to teams like Montreal, Columbus etc when everyone and I mean everyone knows Johnny wants to be close to home and therefore no team other than about 4/5 in the Philly area will be stupid enough to trade for him.

He be a long term rental. Short term rentals of good players get good hauls (Hall). And lots of teams can delude themselves into thinking they will convince him to stay longer.

Your line of thinking means that JG’s LNTC has already effectively kicked in.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by 442scotty

I don’t know why people keep dreaming up trades for Gaudreau to teams like Montreal, Columbus etc when everyone and I mean everyone knows Johnny wants to be close to home and therefore no team other than about 4/5 in the Philly area will be stupid enough to trade for him.

Ottawa recouped 2 firsts and 2 prospects after trading for Duchene with term, and realizing he wasn’t going to re-sign a year and a half later.

Teams are going to take the chance by adding a 80+ point winger to their team.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by 442scotty

I don’t know why people keep dreaming up trades for Gaudreau to teams like Montreal, Columbus etc when everyone and I mean everyone knows Johnny wants to be close to home and therefore no team other than about 4/5 in the Philly area will be stupid enough to trade for him.

To be fair, any team is the east is pretty close to home

[1qqaaz]

Between Sam Reinhart and Max Domi, who do you like more?

It seems like the Flames like Domi-type players. But Reinhart probably has a higher ceiling and generally has more consistent production.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Between Sam Reinhart and Max Domi, who do you like more?

It seems like the Flames like Domi-type players. But Reinhart probably has a higher ceiling and generally has more consistent production.

Domi, has a little more jam and can play C.