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ComixZone · 03-23-2018, 05:16 PM

I take Lazar ahead of Ferland at this stage. Dude skates hard and has been developing all year.

Ferly has done what this year? Succeeded due to circumstance. Dude is absolutely useless when he isn’t on Gaudreau’s line, and is a less than ideal solution to the RW question.

I like our LW depth going into next year.

Gaudreau
Tkachuk
Bennett
Ferland

Leave it at that. If injuries happen, you can move guys up the line-up - but planning to have Ferly sit on your top line is just asking for problems, as we’ve seen this year.

Our RW depth is...bad.

????
????
Frolik
Lazar

I like both Lazar and Frolik in those spots...but we need two top 6 RW’ers.

Big Erned Nevergivn · 03-23-2018, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ComixZone

I take Lazar ahead of Ferland at this stage. Dude skates hard and has been developing all year.

Ferly has done what this year? Succeeded due to circumstance. Dude is absolutely useless when he isn’t on Gaudreau’s line.

Uhh... Ferland has you know:
- had an impact at the NHL level both physically and on the score sheet
- scored 20 goals, 15 the year prior with his nhl caliber snap shot
- earned his way up the line-up from the 3rd line in the AHL (not with Gaudreau)
- has shown he can produce with top players, but contribute physically if not
- had a noticeable impact on NHL playoff series win (not with Gaudreau)
- had an arguably better junior career, in one less season

Lazar has done none of those things, other than being drafted higher. All while Ferland didn't start playing hockey until 14 and lost a year and a bit of development to alcoholism.

Lazar has had ample opportunity on two different NHL teams due to his high draft status and great personality, and done absolutely nothing with it. Ferland has earned his place through adversity.

Your opinion is valid and you have a right to it, but it's not based on evidence.

Machiavelli · 03-23-2018, 05:35 PM

Ferland can score. Lazar can't. End argument.

taxbuster · 03-23-2018, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Machiavelli

Ferland can score. Lazar can't. End argument.

What better time to find out if he actually *can*?

activeStick · 03-23-2018, 05:41 PM

Doesn't Monahan have career highs this year? And all with nagging injuries...

Gaskal · 03-23-2018, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by taxbuster

What better time to find out if he actually *can*?

Last game early on, he was in the most dangerous area of the ice and had all the time in the world, and puts it high/wide.

Flames need to hire a shooting coach.

GranteedEV · 03-23-2018, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by taxbuster

What better time to find out if he actually *can*?

Ferland has one of the most dangerous shots on this team along with Hamilton and Monahan. After that you've probably got Giordano, Jankowski and Tkachuk. Then you've got Gaudreau, Backlund, and Bennett.

Even if Lazar isn't as bad as his numbers, he's shown no ability to beat goaltenders cleanly the way the above guys have. And I acknowledge Bennett's had a miserable season shooting the puck, but he's also previously scored more goals in one game than Lazar has all season. It's not really an opportunity thing, it's a beating goalies thing. Lazar can't. Compounding that with Bennett's poor season accomplishes nothing - it drags Bennett down and it drags Lazar down. Lazar's fit in well being a playmaker setting up Brouwer. He's earned a move up the lineup, perhaps replacing Frolik or Hathaway. Having him replace Ferland is just masochistic. Ferland's trailed off a bit not coincidentally as Monahan's play fell off the map with the injury - but he's a pure finisher who also brings a lot of other elements.

SeanCharles · 03-23-2018, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ComixZone

I take Lazar ahead of Ferland at this stage. Dude skates hard and has been developing all year.

Ferly has done what this year? Succeeded due to circumstance. Dude is absolutely useless when he isn’t on Gaudreau’s line, and is a less than ideal solution to the RW question.

I like our LW depth going into next year.

Gaudreau
Tkachuk
Bennett
Ferland

Leave it at that. If injuries happen, you can move guys up the line-up - but planning to have Ferly sit on your top line is just asking for problems, as we’ve seen this year.

Our RW depth is...bad.

????
????
Frolik
Lazar

I like both Lazar and Frolik in those spots...but we need two top 6 RW’ers.

I think we're fairly set on the left side and down the middle. I don't think Ferland belongs on the 4th line as he and Frolik are 3rd line wingers in my opinion. However both have been somewhat disappointing this season. Ferland was on fire earlier on but hit a brick wall and has looked bad ever since. Frolik had his worst season as a Flame this year and is now on the back 9 of his career. I keep going back and forth on if I want them around for next season.

Gaudreau-Monahan-
Tkachuk-Backlund-
Bennett-Jankowski-
Dube-Shore-Lazar

The bolded 6 are the current roster forwards I not only hope stick around but feel are a big part of our future success. We need to keep these guys, move out some guys on defence (Hamilton is untouchable IMO) and strengthen our RW situation.

savardandjokinen · 03-23-2018, 06:21 PM

I'm not so sure we need two RW'ers, one would be fine

Gaudreau-Monahan-XXXXXXX
Tkachuk-Backlund-Frolik
Bennett-Jankowski-Ferland

I think we can make the playoffs like that

tvp2003 · 03-23-2018, 06:42 PM

Give Ferland some PP time (in a shooting role) and I bet he adds another 5-10 goals per season. Part of me thinks Treliving wants to keep his next contract low so that’s why he only plays 5-on-5.

Lazar doesn’t have an elite or even an above average shot. Unfortunately, neither does Bennett...

Badgers Nose · 03-23-2018, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Iggy City

Must perfect the BROUWERPLAY!

One last thing to do before he can leave.

Lanny_McDonald · 03-23-2018, 06:56 PM

Of all the players to piss and moan about, Micheal Ferland is probably one we should be least concerned about. 20+ goals, .5 PPG, plays with an edge, and has the team best in +/-.

To contrast that, a guy we should be a little more critical of? Mikael Backlund comes to mind. Only 13 goals, which is the same as Jankowski and only two ahead of Bennett, and a team worst -17.

I frankly don't think the down numbers are completely on the players. I'd be waiting to see what a real NHL caliber coach can do with this team before throwing anyone away. Unless a real hockey trade comes along that improves the team (Brodie for Hoffman for example) I would tinker around the edges and see how it performs. It is too good on paper to not give it a chance with a good coach.

ComixZone · 03-23-2018, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Machiavelli

Ferland can score. Lazar can't. End argument.

Ferland got dragged around the ice all season, and scored 20 goals.

I flat out believe Ferland is Nigel Dawes.

He doesn’t do anything when he’s not with Johnny, and he provides very little value to his linemates. Stick him on the 4th and try and develop him as an aggressive 4th liner who can score 10 goals...but good luck in that, because he’s very clearly shown that he doesn’t put in the effort required away from Johnny, and when with Johnny he doesn’t do it consistently enough to warrant his ice time.

Ferly is one of the guys that I’d be okay with seeing traded this summer.

tvp2003 · 03-23-2018, 09:26 PM

Flames reporting that he is having wrist surgery.

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@WesGilbertson
Following up on earlier report, #Flames report on their team site that C Sean Monahan needs wrist surgery and also has hip injury.

Edit: here is the link to the Flames article — wrist surgery as well as a hip issue: https://www.nhl.com/flames/news/mony...rd/c-297261308

dissentowner · 03-23-2018, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ComixZone

I flat out believe Ferland is Nigel Dawes.

I have no idea how you compare those two. Dawes did nothing, he got owned on the boards, he constantly turned the puck over, and he had almost no offensive ability at all. He was flat out a bad hockey player and why he is overseas. While I am not opposed to moving Ferland for a good return he is miles ahead of Nigel Dawes.

Snuffleupagus · 03-23-2018, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by savardandjokinen

I'm not so sure we need two RW'ers, one would be fine

Gaudreau-Monahan-XXXXXXX
Tkachuk-Backlund-Frolik
Bennett-Jankowski-Ferland

I think we can make the playoffs like that

Frolik is more suited as a 3rd liner, Ferland is Jekyll or Hyde, so yeah. We do need 2 scoring RW'ers

GreenLantern2814 · 03-23-2018, 10:50 PM

Troy Brouwer still being on the #1 unit AFTER the season is lost is yet another reason to punt the coach.

Gaudreau is a Ninja · 03-23-2018, 10:50 PM

People way to hard on Monahan! Done for the season, needs surgery and was playing through the injury. Get well Sean!

CaptainCrunch · 03-23-2018, 11:20 PM

Yeah, I respect a guy who's playing through something that needs surgery.

No excuses for the crap show of a season, but it will be interested to see the final injury tallies.

Otto-matic · 03-23-2018, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Yeah, I respect a guy who's playing through something that needs surgery.

No excuses for the crap show of a season, but it will be interested to see the final injury tallies.

For my list.

Ferland
Smith
Brodie
Backlund
Frolik
Monahan
Chucky
Versteeg
Gio (His shot doesn't seem as quick or accurate as it used to be at the start of the year)