Who do you WANT to be the Flames Starting Goalie Next Season [*NEW POLL 12·05·17]

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Yep - I like Ferland and he fits on this team. Bur worth more than a mid first round pick? No.

2013 15-30th overall (FOUR complete NHL seasons of development ago):

Pulock
Zadorov
Lazar
Mueller
Rychel
Mantha
Gauthier
Poirier
Burakovsky
Shinkaruk
McCarron
Theodore
Dano
Klimchuk
Dickenson
Hartman

Which of these players is clearly worth more than Ferland four years after their draft? Mantha and Burakovsky? Maybe Theodore with the caveat that he can stop being a defensive tire fire in another four years?

I am as guilty as anybody of overvaluing first round draft picks hoping for the next Tarasenko or Karlsson but realistically speaking there's a reason why the Sabres had no qualm giving up their 21st overall for Robin Lehner, a pseudo-starter. Forwards in this draft range are hopeful 3rd liners and as far as defensemen go teams seem to have better success even deeper into the draft than this range. Ferland is at least a strong 3rd liner right now with more upside than that, I don't know how you can disagree with that.

Originally Posted by jayswin

Yep, I am high on Ferland but he's a player that has some great potential on our team but not that much trade value. Or at least not what many home team fans may think. He's not going to be a centre piece right now in any significant trade.

Who said anything about trade value? We are talking about internal value to the team. Ferland is worth more to us than a mid first round pick and there's no reason we should package a player of his value in a goalie trade as it would be pretty much unprecedented in recent history.

[カナダ人です]

If the Flames are looking for solid, consistent NHL goaltending for a couple seasons until Gillies is ready, I believe Ryan Miller would be a good option.

He was my vote.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Who said anything about trade value? We are talking about internal value to the team. Ferland is worth more to us than a mid first round pick and there's no reason we should package a player of his value in a goalie trade as it would be pretty much unprecedented in recent history.

What are you going on about? His name was quite literally brought up because ErickEstrada suggested him as a trade piece to land a goalie and the discussion progressed from there.

Why would a thread about acquiring a goalie also have a random discussion about Michael Ferland's value to our team? He's not Mark Jankowski.

Reading comprehension.

[ComixZone]

1. Philipp Grubauer
2. Antti Raanta
3. Jonathan Bernier
4. Jon Gillies
5. Steve Mason

I'm not big on spending assets for the 2nd summer in a row on a older veteran. Go young.

[Fan in Exile]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Treliving's activity needs to be weighed in terms of best available option relative to acquisition cost. On that measure I don't believe there were many better options than Elliott last summer. Clearly, the cost to acquire Bishop was likewise beyond what Treliving and the Flames are comfortable with surrendering.

It is never just as simple as determining who the best available goalie is and getting him.

Really? Do you think the Leafs wish they had got Elliott instead of Fredrik Andersen?

[Classic_Sniper]

I would attempt to sign Ryan Miller to a 1yr deal worth whatever we can afford, have Gillies backing up and then hope that Tyler Parsons dominates the AHL like Carey Price did and be ready after next season.

[jg13]

I mean it's possible the Penguins keep Fleury if he leads them to another cup with Tristan Jarry looking promising for them in the farm.

Especially considering the return they'd get for Murray which I expect the Flames would be willing to pay.

Murray should be an option on the poll IMO, but since he's not i'll pick Fleury.

[TheAlpineOracle]

Did Elliott vote for himself 9 times?

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

I would attempt to sign Ryan Miller to a 1yr deal worth whatever we can afford, have Gillies backing up and then hope that Tyler Parsons dominates the AHL like Carey Price did and be ready after next season.

This. Gillies is the understudy and gets to learn from a solid veteran goaltender.

[theslymonkey]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

1. Philipp Grubauer
2. Antti Raanta
3. Jonathan Bernier
4. Jon Gillies
5. Steve Mason

I'm not big on spending assets for the 2nd summer in a row on a older veteran. Go young.

See, this is where I'm at. I think the Flames need to take a long look at Mason and Bernier. Neither would require assets to acquire and I think would perform at or above what Elliott did this year. Both could be signed to relatively good deals and wouldn't require the term that Bishop did. Then if Gillies or Parsons is ready to challenge for a spot there's nothing lost other than money.

[cross16]

Originally Posted by jg13

I mean it's possible the Penguins keep Fleury if he leads them to another cup with Tristan Jarry looking promising for them in the farm.

Especially considering the return they'd get for Murray which I expect the Flames would be willing to pay.

Murray should be an option on the poll IMO, but since he's not i'll pick Fleury.

What if the price was Sam Bennett?

[jayswin]

I'd want to say no to Murray for Bennett straight up, but I'd have to think long and hard. That's a tough decision.

[jg13]

Originally Posted by cross16

What if the price was Sam Bennett?

Honestly feel like the Flames would do that. The goaltending problem is one that they need to address.

They do not want goaltending to be the problem on this team any longer after it has been the past 2 season with 5 different guys (Ramo, Hiller, Ortio, Johnson and Elliott).

Pay the price for a young solid #1 and move on.

Hopefully if it comes down to that Jankowski can fill the role at #3C.

[Vinny01]

I know the situation is different but I am drawing some parallels to the Backlund discussion I started a couple weeks back. I was wondering how people felt on selling high with Backlund for a few reasons. The first is the fact he is coming off a career best season and his vsluenis the highest it has been. Secondly he only has a year left on his deal and will cost a lot to retain. Third the Flames have Monahan, Bennett and Jankowski in the fold. This suggestion was almost unanimously rejected with many people stating we can't bank on the guys we have because they are not proven.

Then in this thread a lot of people are full of confidence that Gillies or Parsons will be something sooner than later so the Flames best not go long term with a goalie or sign a cheap stop gap because we have these prospects.

I just say this because I think banking on Monahan, Bennett and Jankowski is a safer bet than either Parsons or Gillies being a starting goalie in the next couple years.

[Flash Walken]

you'd start the car if you were offered a stanley cup winning, 22 year old goaltender in the prime of his career under contract for the next three years at 3.75.

Hell, I'd be waiting outside the store with the car already running.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Sigh. Nothing against the kid but he has to be the most overrated player in the history of CP by a long shot. I would imagine most teams would consider him more of a throw in than a major trading piece. Some pundits had the Flames leaving him unprotected in the expansion draft as that's how little cache his name carries. If he's lucky he may have a 20 goal season in his career and that's only if he's gifted first line ice time as he's already in his prime years and he's not going to get much better than what he already is which is a dime a dozen NHLer.

Regardless of whether or not we agree about Ferland's potential and trade value, he is absolutely more valuable to the Flames now than the #16 pick in the draft. He may or my not be more valuable to another team in exchange for their backup goalie, but I believe history shows that the Flames should be able to acquire a goaltender like Grubauer for less than Ferland, and probably less than the #16 pick.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by cross16

What if the price was Sam Bennett?

Sold. Take that deal and run like hell

[Love]

Voted Raanta

[theslymonkey]

Originally Posted by cross16

What if the price was Sam Bennett?

The price for Schneider was #9 in the 2013 draft.
Murray is has accomplished more today than Schneider did in 2013.
I hate to lose Bennett, but that is probably the cost... Ouch.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

you'd start the car if you were offered a stanley cup winning, 22 year old pending RFA goaltender in the prime of his career under contract for the next three years at 3.75.

Hell, I'd be waiting outside the store with the car already running.

Actually yeah, what the hell was I thinking? You do that trade in a heartbeat.