Faceoff stat question

[morgin]

Does anyone know how faceoff wins are determined? Is it whichever team gains clear control of the puck first, or whichever team touches the puck first? Who would get credited with the faceoff win if the result of "winning" was to shoot the puck into your own empty net? Was trying to look through the rules and its silent on this (although I suppose most stat keeping methods aren't specifically in the rules).

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by morgin

Does anyone know how faceoff wins are determined? Is it whichever team gains clear control of the puck first, or whichever team touches the puck first? Who would get credited with the faceoff win if the result of "winning" was to shoot the puck into your own empty net? Was trying to look through the rules and its silent on this (although I suppose most stat keeping methods aren't specifically in the rules).

I don't know for sure but I think it's the team that controls the puck. That's the way the announcers call it.

[Enoch Root]

The fact that this question needs to be asked shows how convoluted and, at times, useless the stat is.

IMO, face-off stats would be a lot more useful if they had different parameters:

1) ignore neutral zone face-offs - seriously, who cares?

2) don't award a winner if it turns into a scrum. Many draws are essentially dead heats that neither centre won. Whichever team eventually gets the puck really had nothing to do with the Cs, so why give them a W or a L?

I say only count the draws in either end. And only count the draws that a player clearly won (/lost). I think that would give us a much more useful stat.

[morgin]

I'm bumping this because it's been bugging me again lately that I can't find a clear answer. Anyone know?

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by morgin

I'm bumping this because it's been bugging me again lately that I can't find a clear answer. Anyone know?

I would think it's as simple, and perhaps as unsatisfying an answer, as "whoever controls the puck." Scrum or no scrum, one team always gets control.

It's a judgment call by the stats keepers at each rink, just like hits, shots, etc. They'll call a face-off win either way, credit going to the player of record.

[DeluxeMoustache]

I assumed that
1) if it was cleanly won, even if it went to a place where the other team touched it next or retrieved it, it went to the faceoff winner
2) if it is a draw or a scrum, such as where they tie each other up and a winger retrieves it, whichever team ends up with possession

Never bothered to validate that assumption though.

Always wondered but never cared enough to bother looking in to it. Will be interested to see if someone here actually knows

[mrkajz44]

I've always wondered about face-off wins and getting thrown out of the face-off dot. If you get thrown out, that doesn't count against your face-off percentage, correct? So I wonder if they guys that are "good face-off guys" get thrown out more often and are not actually as good as we think.

I guess my thought process is:

1) Guys try to take advantage in the dot and sometimes get thrown out
2) If they get thrown out, there percentage isn't hurt, but greatly reduces the chances of their team winning the draw
3) If they don't get thrown out, they have the edge and win more face-offs than usual, inflating their percentage

Maybe this should be in the random thought thread...

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by morgin

I'm bumping this because it's been bugging me again lately that I can't find a clear answer. Anyone know?

on a quick google search here is an article from 2016
https://blackhawksbreakdown.com/2016...ts-stat-value/

very first thing:
A faceoff is a subjective stat, so there is no 100% conclusive ruling on it per say.

...So the basic definition of a faceoff win would be a play in which the players team gains possession of the puck.

Possession of the puck does not have to be long. A deflection would not count as possession, but as long as a teammates has his stick on the puck, that would be possession, and a faceoff win.