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Old 08-16-2019, 11:18 AM   #101
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A not unreasonable question to ask and explore could be whether or not countries such as Australia, Canada etc. should be blocking wechat. If it's a tool of the Chinese state to directly surveil users and to deliver content to manipulate political ideologies of users, should it be tolerated? I mean, it's one thing to have foreign nations taking advantage of open platforms to influence segments of the domestic populations, but it's another thing to have an entire platform controlled by a foreign nation and used by them to surveil and influence a segment of the domestic population.
Are they forced to download it if not in China?
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Old 08-16-2019, 11:55 AM   #102
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Are they forced to download it if not in China?
Of course not, but it is the ubiquitous social media and messaging app in China, across all age groups. If someone Chinese moves away from China, the chances of cutting off wechat are very low as that's what everyone back home uses. People do everything through wechat, from messaging and calls to payments, bookings and food delivery. It penetrates through so much of life that you can't really live without wechat in China. Someone leaving China is very unlikely to casually walk away from their wechat unless they're happy to walk away from all their life, friends and family in China. There is no equivalently ubiquitous network in the West.

I'm not saying I necessarily fully support the idea of blocking wechat either at this point, but I do think it's something worth thinking about. It does do those things that I mentioned in the previous post.
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Old 08-16-2019, 03:01 PM   #103
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Since June 2019, Hong Kong started a series of demonstrations against the “EXTRADITION BILL” which terribly influence “One country, two systems”. After 2 months of continuous protests, Hong Kong government still not respond to any of citizens five demands. Instead, they start to use excessive violence and wish to end all of it by an irrational way.


It has been more than 2 months until now, Hong Kong’s people still not receive any response from their government but they got the attention and support from the global.


Protest will not end itself. It will only be end until “Carrie Lam - the Chief Executive of HKSAR” respond to citizens FIVE DEMANDS and those must be fulfill.


“United we stand, together we hope.” Hong Kong people you will never be alone.


Five Demands:


1. Withdrawal of Controversial Extradition Bill

2. Renunciation of the characterization of the Jun 12 protests as “riots”

3. Unconditional release of the all arrested protestors without the threat of future prosecution

4. Appointment of an independent commission to inquire into the excessive violence used by the police in the protests

5. Universal suffrage to elect a truly democratic government


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Old 08-16-2019, 03:17 PM   #104
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Old 08-18-2019, 01:20 AM   #105
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Mainland vs. HK conflict manifest in Vancouver today.
https://twitter.com/statuses/1162907718925070337

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Alex Cheung organized the pro-Hong Kong protest, saying it is part of a series of protests around the world taking place on the same day.

"We really hope that the world actually knows what's going on," he said.

"It's terrifying. This is very important to Canadians because there are about half a million Canadians in Hong Kong right now."

Cheung said he alerted police after seeing threats toward his rally posted on social media, and was grateful for the increased police presence.


As represented in Mainland media:
https://twitter.com/statuses/1162967737221578753
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Old 08-18-2019, 08:12 AM   #106
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Later in the protest, Chan cupped his hands around his mouth, yelling a question at the pro-Chinese protestors that went unanswered over the fray.

When asked what he yelled, he said "a simple question — do you love freedom?"
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Old 08-18-2019, 05:42 PM   #107
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I'm gonna guess mostly Chinese nationalism, with a bit of anti-British imperialism mixed in.
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I am surprised at the number of pro-China people in Canada. Most Chinese friends I have (maybe all, since it isn't always a topic of discussion), despise the Chinese government. Not because they aren't proud of their Chinese heritage, but quite the opposite.
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I am surprised at the number of pro-China people in Canada. Most Chinese friends I have (maybe all, since it isn't always a topic of discussion), despise the Chinese government. Not because they aren't proud of their Chinese heritage, but quite the opposite.
The pro-China crowd has mostly consisted of International Chinese students in each respective location if I recall correctly..
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Yeah, my mother surprised me the brief moment we had a chance to talk about it when I found out she's very pro China for this whole incident. Surprised me because my mom was a huge supporter of the students back in 1989 during the Tianamen Square incident and my mom actually was a big part of the local group in Calgary at the time raising awareness about it.
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Yeah, my mother surprised me the brief moment we had a chance to talk about it when I found out she's very pro China for this whole incident. Surprised me because my mom was a huge supporter of the students back in 1989 during the Tianamen Square incident and my mom actually was a big part of the local group in Calgary at the time raising awareness about it.
What is her reasoning?
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Old 08-19-2019, 08:28 AM   #112
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I am surprised at the number of pro-China people in Canada. Most Chinese friends I have (maybe all, since it isn't always a topic of discussion), despise the Chinese government. Not because they aren't proud of their Chinese heritage, but quite the opposite.
My suspicion is there are a lot of pro-China supporters and organizing groups in collusion with the government, not because they seriously love what they are trying to do to Hong Kong.

China has also taken out adds on Facebook and Twitter to spread the pro-China message and slam the protests. These are platforms that are not allowed behind the Great FireWall. They are trying to control the message abroad.

This is one of the most blatantly obvious attempts at propaganda that China has ever attempted, in my opinion.

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Remember, the international students are the upper class and are really Chinese representatives overseas. Of course many adapt to Western life but many remain "Chinese" if you know what I mean.
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Remember, the international students are the upper class and are really Chinese representatives overseas. Of course many adapt to Western life but many remain "Chinese" if you know what I mean.
I suspect most of them are doing it for social credits.
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I think Canada is now seeing the power of a nation states intelligence apparatus. I don't doubt that a lot of the pro-government protestors in Canada were "encouraged to be there".


I believe that there is a lot of meddling into Canada is happening thanks to China's State Security and intelligence department, and we're woefully unprepared for it.
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I think Canada is now seeing the power of a nation states intelligence apparatus. I don't doubt that a lot of the pro-government protestors in Canada were "encouraged to be there".


I believe that there is a lot of meddling into Canada is happening thanks to China's State Security and intelligence department, and we're woefully unprepared for it.
There have been various acts of security breaches and espionage from China in Canada, particularly around economics and technology. Plus there is a huge Chinese diaspora that probably remain connected to mainland China and are willing to support government initiatives, whether through payment, bribery or straight up agency.

That country is probably Canada's great threat, intelligence wise. I would surmise that CSIS is building up their Asian Pacific specialist resources and Mandarin-speaking IO's.
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There have been various acts of security breaches and espionage from China in Canada, particularly around economics and technology. Plus there is a huge Chinese diaspora that probably remain connected to mainland China and are willing to support government initiatives, whether through payment, bribery or straight up agency.

That country is probably Canada's great threat, intelligence wise. I would surmise that CSIS is building up their Asian Pacific specialist resources and Mandarin-speaking IO's.

We also have to remember the suspicions that Huwei is basically under the sway of China's MSS. Right now even over Russia, China is a huge intelligence threat. We're never going to be able to compete against China's MSS, we're not ruthless enough or well funded enough to deal with them.
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We also have to remember the suspicions that Huwei is basically under the sway of China's MSS. Right now even over Russia, China is a huge intelligence threat. We're never going to be able to compete against China's MSS, we're not ruthless enough or well funded enough to deal with them.
Which is why a Five Eyes coordinated strategy is going to be required to counter increasingly aggressive Chinese intelligence activities. While each of the members have their own unique national differences, things like hacking and cyber espionage strategies are still bound by the same firewall, encryption and security standards across most countries. China will also likely try to utilize successful campaigns conducted in one country in others as well, so it is important to share data, metrics, and response strategies to counter this. I am sure the Five Eyes are probably coordinating quite a bit already in this regard and already see why that's important.

The Chinese intelligence problem will need a cohesive Western response; Canada is just one player in this game and will need to further coordinate with their allies to counter it.
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Right now the whole Huwei question has put 5 eyes on edge. New Zealnd, Australia and the US have taken a hard stance about banning Huwei from participating in 5 eyes countries developing 5 G network technology. Canada hasn't taken a stance on it, which could put us on the outside looking in.
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Right now the whole Huwei question has put 5 eyes on edge. New Zealnd, Australia and the US have taken a hard stance about banning Huwei from participating in 5 eyes countries developing 5 G network technology. Canada hasn't taken a stance on it, which could put us on the outside looking in.
What about the UK?
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