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It might be better to bring all the discussion of the remaining RFAs to one thread, instead of continuing conversations in multiple signing threads. The following top RFAs are still un-signed. I will update the OP as we go along. There are a handful others as well (Mangiapane, Carlo etc)

Player Team GP G A P
Brayden Point Tampa Bay Lightning 79 41 51 92
Mikko Rantanen Colorado Avalanche 74 31 56 87
Matthew Tkachuk Calgary Flames 80 34 43 77
Brock Boeser Vancouver Canucks 69 26 30 56
Kyle Connor Winnipeg Jets 82 34 32 66
Patrick Laine Winnipeg Jets 82 30 20 50
Travis Konecny Philadelphia Flyers 82 24 25 49 SIGNED ON 16TH SEPTEMBER 2019 (5.5 MILLION PER FOR 6 YEARS)
Tony DeAngelo New York Rangers 61 4 26 30

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Interesting bit about the Rangers hold-out Tony DeAngelo. Not as big a name as one of the other guys, but a good young d-man looking for a pay bump. Had a solid season last year with 30 points (4G and 26A in 61 games) in New York. I am adding him to the list in the OP as well.

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For the Rangers it is relatively simple. They own DeAngelo’s rights and he has no leverage, They qualified him with an offer of the NHL minimum of $874,125. The word is that they want him to sign for the same amount that his fellow RFA, Brendan Lemiuex, signed for on Wednesday. That figure of $925k represents a pay raise over what he made last season, but it isn’t a lot of money.

The bottom line is that the team doesn’t have the cap space to extend DeAngelo on any kind of bridge deal. With a little over a million dollars in cap space, that is realistically all that they can offer him.
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By the end of the season, DeAngelo was the top right handed shooting defenseman on the Rangers and was quarterbacking the first power play unit. His numbers were better than Kevin Shattenkirk‘s and comparable to Neal Pionk‘s.
https://bluelinestation.com/2019/09/...ngelo-holdout/

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Interesting bit about the Rangers hold-out Tony DeAngelo. Not as big a name as one of the other guys, but a good young d-man looking for a pay bump. Had a solid season last year with 30 points (4G and 26A in 61 games) in New York. I am adding him to the list in the OP as well.




https://bluelinestation.com/2019/09/...ngelo-holdout/
Surprised he hasn't signed an offer sheet, would seem like a good fit on a lot of teams. And a fairly inexpensive way to screw over the Rangers.
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Surprised he hasn't signed an offer sheet, would seem like a good fit on a lot of teams. And a fairly inexpensive way to screw over the Rangers.
He is probably determined to play in NYR. I continue to think that the single biggest obstacle to RFA offer sheets is not teams's reluctance to extend them, but rather the players's willingness to sign them. Sebastian Aho's offer sheet did nothing to undermine that view, given the cap hit and term I think he was certain that it was an easy deal for Carolina to match without reservation.
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He is probably determined to play in NYR. I continue to think that the single biggest obstacle to RFA offer sheets is not teams's reluctance to extend them, but rather the players's willingness to sign them. Sebastian Aho's offer sheet did nothing to undermine that view, given the cap hit and term I think he was certain that it was an easy deal for Carolina to match without reservation.
Then he should've accepted his qualifying offer tune no? There's no other option if he wants to stay in NY.
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Then he should've accepted his qualifying offer tune no? There's no other option if he wants to stay in NY.
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Man, I would love someone to just offer sheet the same deal one by one down the list forcing them to sign or signing one.
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Man, I would love someone to just offer sheet the same deal one by one down the list forcing them to sign or signing one.
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Surprised he hasn't signed an offer sheet, would seem like a good fit on a lot of teams. And a fairly inexpensive way to screw over the Rangers.
He would have to receive an offer sheet in order to sign one. Not the kind of player you put an offer sheet out to.
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He would have to receive an offer sheet in order to sign one. Not the kind of player you put an offer sheet out to.
I have always been a bit surprised at that. A mid range player getting an offer sheet is easier to afford, compensation wise, and has a better chance of being accepted. And depending on where the other team is contract wise, they may have to pass.
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Man, I would love someone to just offer sheet the same deal one by one down the list forcing them to sign or signing one.
They aren't forced to sign. They can simply say no and remain an RFA.
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They aren't forced to sign. They can simply say no and remain an RFA.
That’s why it’s called an offer sheet.... not ‘yankee swap’.

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It might be better to bring all the discussion of the remaining RFAs to one thread, instead of continuing conversations in multiple signing threads. The following top RFAs are still un-signed. I will update the OP as we go along. There are a handful others as well (Mangiapane, Carlo etc)

Player Team GP G A P
Brayden Point Tampa Bay Lightning 79 41 51 92
Mikko Rantanen Colorado Avalanche 74 31 56 87
Matthew Tkachuk Calgary Flames 80 34 43 77
Brock Boeser Vancouver Canucks 69 26 30 56
Kyle Connor Winnipeg Jets 82 34 32 66
Patrick Laine Winnipeg Jets 82 30 20 50
Travis Konecny Philadelphia Flyers 82 24 25 49
Tony DeAngelo New York Rangers 61 4 26 30
Some interesting stats about the list:

50% of players listed are Americans, 25% Finnish and 25% Canadian

50% of the players play for Canadian teams 50% US teams

3/8 are octagon clients, 2/8 are Newport sports. More than half the top holdouts represented by two agencies.

Do Octagon and Newport have something to prove to the larger player pool about who can negotiate a better deal for their clients? Is a there a de facto war between the two agencies resulting in a push to one up the other in negotiations?

Are the US players tough negotiators or are some of the US clients playing for Canadian teams using RFA leverage to expedite departure from their respective Canadian teams by getting to UFA status soonest, thereby resulting in pushback from their teams?

Lots of moving parts and so many variables which could involve individual situations and circumstances. But interesting points to consider.
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He would have to receive an offer sheet in order to sign one. Not the kind of player you put an offer sheet out to.
Except this is the exact type of player that should be offer sheeted given the situation. Young, top tier prospect/ roster player, affordable price Range meaning little to no compensation and on a team up against the salary cap. Seams like an excellent opportunity to add a piece to your D.
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As Flames fans we should hope that one of Boeser, Connor or Laine don't get overpaid. I don't think that Marner had to much of an impact on what Tkachuk was expecting.
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As Flames fans we should hope that one of Boeser, Connor or Laine don't get overpaid. I don't think that Marner had to much of an impact on what Tkachuk was expecting.
Fortunately, I don't see that happening. Winnipeg is facing internal budget constraints that will necessarily limit what they can afford to pay their RFAs, and Vancouver is faced with a situation of needing to make roster moves to free up the money to pay Boeser.
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Except this is the exact type of player that should be offer sheeted given the situation. Young, top tier prospect/ roster player, affordable price Range meaning little to no compensation and on a team up against the salary cap. Seams like an excellent opportunity to add a piece to your D.
Yeah, this is what I was getting at. The only benefit to an offer sheet to a star player is that you make a competitor overspend in order to match, which they inevitably do. If you could find a team with a star RFA and a really good middle level young RFA with upward trajectory, you could offer sheet the the star to a very high amount, and then, when it's matched. offer sheet the lower guy to a reasonable amount which can't be matched because it would exceed their cap.

The legit offer sheet to a lower guy, however, is if you just value him differently.
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Pat Steinburg just said on SN960 that there has been a little movement in the Raantanen negotiation. Does anyone know what he is talking about?
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Konecny is no longer an RFA, having signed his 6 year 5.5 million AAV contract. One down, seven to go.
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