2018/2019 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[smoothskatingbrodie]

Bennett for Puljujarvi deal?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by smoothskatingbrodie

Bennett for Puljujarvi deal?

Ugh. Why?

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by smoothskatingbrodie

Bennett for Puljujarvi deal?

My gut and the statistics tell me Puljujarvi is currently the better player and I also think he has higher upside. Therefore, I think I’d do this trade for sure. However, despite the fact that Puljujarvi has better stats despite playing more difficult opposition and starting in the defensive zone more often, the one thing you can’t discount is Puljujarvi had better linemates. So this probably skews the stats in Puljujarvi’s favour a bit.

Playing circumstances

Puljujarvi
OZS% 50.10%,
Quality of Opposition 0.1395,
Linemates
22.18% Lucic - McDavid - Puljujarvi
10.35% Lucic - Puljujarvi - Strome
10.08% Lucic - RNH - Puljujarvi

Bennett
OZS% 59.23
Quality of Opposition -0.0376
Linemates
25.24% Bennett - Jankowski - Hathaway

GAR
Puljujarvi - 46
Bennett - 19

Goals for percentage
Puljujarvi - 48.39% (on ice save % - 93.12, on ice shooting percentage - 6.64)
Bennett - 40.9% (on ice save % - 91.73, on ice shooting percentage - 5.66)

CF%
Puljujarvi - 50.96%
Bennett - 52.6%

Relative CF%
Puljujarvi - +1.8%
Bennett - -1.3%

I also think Puljujarvi would fit in rather nicely simply because a Frolik is able to play either wing.

Gaudreau - Monahan - Lindholm
Tkachuk - Backlund - Neal
Frolik - Ryan - Puljujarvi
Mangiapane - Jankowski - Czarnik

[oldschoolcalgary]

no way a trade between the Oilers and the Flames happen with those two players...

neither side would take the chance of that trade blowing up on them...

a third party would have to be involved after the fact, like the Hoffman trade

[soreshins]

I’d rather stick with Bennett. Don’t want that glaikit dumpling on my team

If you’re not Scottish look up glaikit on urban dictionary etc. Describes Puljujarvi perfectly.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Nelson

So this probably skews the stats in Puljujarvi’s favour a bit.


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Bennett
OZS% 59.23
Quality of Opposition -0.0376
Linemates
25.24% Bennett - Jankowski - Hathaway


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Gaudreau - Monahan - Lindholm
Tkachuk - Backlund - Neal
Frolik - Ryan - Puljujarvi
Mangiapane - Jankowski - Czarnik

You have Jankowski pencilled in on a 4th line and Hathaway doesn't make your top twelve, but the difference between that and Connor McDavid is a "bit".

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Nelson

My gut and the statistics tell me Puljujarvi is currently the better player and I also think he has higher upside. Therefore, I think I’d do this trade for sure. However, despite the fact that Puljujarvi has better stats despite playing more difficult opposition and starting in the defensive zone more often, the one thing you can’t discount is Puljujarvi had better linemates. So this probably skews the stats in Puljujarvi’s favour a bit.

This is one of the times I throw stats out.

Both players have head issues that need to be overcome. Bennett's is a lack of confidence without production and a need to do too much that gets him in trouble by either hanging on to the puck too long, or taking silly penalties trying to force the play.

With JP there seems to be a lot of smoke in the air about his lack of overall maturity and the ability to use his talents to their fullest because his grey matter may get in the way.

The best bet to overcome these is the answer.

Can't discount quality of linemates though, for sure.

[rhino]

Originally Posted by Nelson

My gut and the statistics tell me Puljujarvi is currently the better player and I also think he has higher upside. Therefore, I think I’d do this trade for sure. However, despite the fact that Puljujarvi has better stats despite playing more difficult opposition and starting in the defensive zone more often, the one thing you can’t discount is Puljujarvi had better linemates. So this probably skews the stats in Puljujarvi’s favour a bit.

Playing circumstances

Puljujarvi
OZS% 50.10%,
Quality of Opposition 0.1395,
Linemates
22.18% Lucic - McDavid - Puljujarvi
10.35% Lucic - Puljujarvi - Strome
10.08% Lucic - RNH - Puljujarvi

Bennett
OZS% 59.23
Quality of Opposition -0.0376
Linemates
25.24% Bennett - Jankowski - Hathaway

GAR
Puljujarvi - 46
Bennett - 19

Goals for percentage
Puljujarvi - 48.39% (on ice save % - 93.12, on ice shooting percentage - 6.64)
Bennett - 40.9% (on ice save % - 91.73, on ice shooting percentage - 5.66)

CF%
Puljujarvi - 50.96%
Bennett - 52.6%

Relative CF%
Puljujarvi - +1.8%
Bennett - -1.3%

I also think Puljujarvi would fit in rather nicely simply because a Frolik is able to play either wing.

Gaudreau - Monahan - Lindholm
Tkachuk - Backlund - Neal
Frolik - Ryan - Puljujarvi
Mangiapane - Jankowski - Czarnik

You cited metrics not stats.

[spuzzum]

I was reading some hypothetical trades for Karlsson earlier and had a question pop up with the Gretzky trade being mentioned. Can a team pay cold hard cash $$$ as part of hockey trades today? My guess is no in a cap world but wanted to check.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by nik-

Yeah, that's basically the central driver for the original statement I think.

no ####, I lol'ed at "considering retirement"

There is no considering...his retirement has been forced on account of no NHL teams wanting him

I am also considering retirement from the NHL

[getbak]

Originally Posted by spuzzum

I was reading some hypothetical trades for Karlsson earlier and had a question pop up with the Gretzky trade being mentioned. Can a team pay cold hard cash $$$ as part of hockey trades today? My guess is no in a cap world but wanted to check.

No. The only way that money can be involved in a trade is with retaining salary.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by getbak

No. The only way that money can be involved in a trade is with retaining salary.

Just curious (haven't looked into any details) but when Buffalo was looking to unload RoR before they had to pay his bonus, and was rumoured to be willing to take less back to do so, isn't that effectively what's happening in that kind of situation?

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

Just curious (haven't looked into any details) but when Buffalo was looking to unload RoR before they had to pay his bonus, and was rumoured to be willing to take less back to do so, isn't that effectively what's happening in that kind of situation?

Not really, like Heatley before him (and others), he had a significant signing bonus that he got paid on July 1, 2018. Whoever's team he was on at that time had to pay the bonus, which was $7,500,000. So Buffalo wanted more after July 1 than they wanted before. That was just part of O'Reilly's contract.

With Gretzky (and others before the cap), they just traded actually cash in the trade.

[Northendzone]

some of the mock trades on twitter are laughable - such as:

TB - gets Karlsson and the rangers fifth rounders in 2020
Ottawa - gets Sergachev, Point, TB 2019 first roudner, Rangers 2019 second rounder
NYR - gets Ryan Callahan, bobby ryan and Ottawas 4 round 2019 pick

the players Tampa loses in this trade gnerated about 120 points - that is a lot out of the score sheet

[GioforPM]

Talk on 960 this morning about Panarin and goalie Bob wanting out of Columbus (or maybe it's a bargaining tactic).

Panarin here would be awesome. Bobrovsky would be even better.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Talk on 960 this morning about Panarin and goalie Bob wanting out of Columbus (or maybe it's a bargaining tactic).

Panarin here would be awesome. Bobrovsky would be even better.

Portzline had some interesting notes at the end of his segment on this the other day. Panarin literally grew up with nothing. Equipment from the lost and found, parents gone at a young age, the whole 9 yards. And Portzline suggested that because of this, he's a guy that wants his stuff. He wants the big city life and fancy things because he never had them.

Speculative obviously, but interesting.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by Northendzone

some of the mock trades on twitter are laughable - such as:

TB - gets Karlsson and the rangers fifth rounders in 2020
Ottawa - gets Sergachev, Point, TB 2019 first roudner, Rangers 2019 second rounder
NYR - gets Ryan Callahan, bobby ryan and Ottawas 4 round 2019 pick

the players Tampa loses in this trade gnerated about 120 points - that is a lot out of the score sheet

Huge price to pay for Tampa, but I also dont understand what's in it for the Rangers. Taking on cap from both teams and losing picks??? Obvioisly someone throwing mud at the wall.

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

You have Jankowski pencilled in on a 4th line and Hathaway doesn't make your top twelve, but the difference between that and Connor McDavid is a "bit".

The way I look at it is that playing with McDavid would be a huge boost for Puljujarvi stats versus Bennett’s stats, but that starting significantly more often in the defensive zone and playing against more difficult opposition would mute this huge boost.

But I still probably should have taken out the words “a bit.” My understanding is that linemates are a more important factor than opposition. Your comment made me laugh. Sometimes you just have to laugh at yourself.

I think another thing is that Puljujarvi got better on ice save and shooting percentages so that would’ve made up a significant amount of the difference in the goals for percentage.

Also, to the other person, I don’t know what the difference is between metrics and stats.

Also also, I would still absolutely trade Bennett straight up for Puljujarvi.

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by Bingo

This is one of the times I throw stats out.

Both players have head issues that need to be overcome. Bennett's is a lack of confidence without production and a need to do too much that gets him in trouble by either hanging on to the puck too long, or taking silly penalties trying to force the play.

With JP there seems to be a lot of smoke in the air about his lack of overall maturity and the ability to use his talents to their fullest because his grey matter may get in the way.

The best bet to overcome these is the answer.

Can't discount quality of linemates though, for sure.

With respect to the grey matter, I wonder how much of his ability to understand things is a language issue. When he was drafted by the Oilers, he did not understand any English.

[sureLoss]

This is something the Flames should look at:


https://www.freep.com/story/sports/n...ock/768163002/

It would not be surprising to see the Wings trade Athanasiou. If they get a good offer – at least a second-round pick or a good prospect, preferably a defenseman – he could be flipped to help the rebuild.

As talented as Athanasiou is, he shouldn’t be as quiet as he is at times – last season he went for stretches of 10 and 15 games without a goal. That came even as he averaged 15:19 minutes per game, up from 13:28 in 2016-17. His average power play time increased to 1:44 from 1:13, yet he contributed only four points during man advantages.