A Game of Thrones **BOOKS OFF LIMITS** v2

[Hanni]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

It will be interesting to see what happens when Danny lands in Westeros. Who can contend with that army? Dorne, Highgarden, a good chunk of the Iron Islanders, what is left of the Unsullied and a horde of Dothraki. Oh ya, and 3 dragons. The Starks and the Vale, the Lannisters and the Freys? Doesn't really seem like a fair fight.

It's still a big army but I'm pretty sure she left the Dothraki behind along with the Second Sons.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Hanni

It's still a big army but I'm pretty sure she left the Dothraki behind along with the Second Sons.

No. The Dothraki are on board the ships. re-watch the sailing scenes and you'll see them feed hay to their horses. The scroll back to show what appears to be 1000 ships sail for westeros is pretty telling how many she has.

[Kybosh]

Originally Posted by Hanni

It's still a big army but I'm pretty sure she left the Dothraki behind along with the Second Sons.

Looked to me like she loaded up the Dothraki onto the ships. I thought the one ship they showed was definitely Dothraki on deck with horses below.

[Hanni]

I could have sworn when the leader of second sons asked her if the Dothraki would actually go across across "the poison sea" she said they weren't going, I'll have to re-watch it.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Hanni

I could have sworn when the leader of second sons asked her if the Dothraki would actually go across across "the poison sea" she said they weren't going, I'll have to re-watch it.

Daario says he can't wait to see it, then she informs him that he and the second sons will be staying on mereen.

The dothraki were shown on the ships. It was not easily noticed, but the ships in the fleet had the markings of Tyrell, Dorne and the Iron Islands.

[GreenLantern]

Interview up on HBO with Bella Ramsey aka Lady Mormont:

HBO: What did you first think of Lyanna when you read the script?


Bella Ramsey: I thought, “This is a character to really get my teeth into.” Lyanna is strong about what she believes, and wants to keep her family and island protected; she wants to be treated like an adult. She's strong, and firm when she needs to be, and wants the best for her house and the North.

http://www.makinggameofthrones.com/p...lyanna-mormont

[dammage79]

So what is she? Jorahs grand niece?

[Hessen]

Originally Posted by dammage79

So what is she? Jorahs grand niece?

She would be his cousin. Jeor's (Night Watch Commander) sister was her mom.

[underGRADFlame]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

It will be interesting to see what happens when Danny lands in Westeros. Who can contend with that army? Dorne, Highgarden, a good chunk of the Iron Islanders, what is left of the Unsullied and a horde of Dothraki. Oh ya, and 3 dragons. The Starks and the Vale, the Lannisters and the Freys? Doesn't really seem like a fair fight.

The army of the dead I would think might bring a bit of a fight to the Targaryan alliance.

[GreenLantern]

What, you mean the grumkins and snarks? Bah! Been listening to closely to your wet nurse have you?

[troutman]

We Know No Scene-Stealer but the One on Bear Island, Whose Name Is Bella Ramsey

http://www.makinggameofthrones.com/p...lyanna-mormont

Bella Ramsey, the 12-year-old actor who portrays the formidable leader of Bear Island, chats for the first time about her role.

[FlamesAddiction]

There seems to be some question whether Jon Snow automatically becomes a legitimized Starke by becoming king. If he doesn't though, does that mean if he marries a highborn, it will be a matrilineal marriage, or is there now a "House Snow"? Would his kids have the Starke name? Would Bran, Sansa and Arya be the heirs even if he has children? Or does the north even have a solid form of succession? So many questions!

Also, what was with the creepy kids doing the dirty work? Do we know the story behind that?

[Kybosh]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Also, what was with the creepy kids doing the dirty work? Do we know the story behind that?

My theory with that was that Pycelle was shown throughout the series to be a bit of a hedonist, so I assumed that he was maybe also into child exploitation. Little birds getting some revenge right there.

[cDnStealth]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

There seems to be some question whether Jon Snow automatically becomes a legitimized Starke by becoming king. If he doesn't though, does that mean if he marries a highborn, it will be a matrilineal marriage, or is there now a "House Snow"? Would his kids have the Starke name? Would Bran, Sansa and Arya be the heirs even if he has children? Or does the north even have a solid form of succession? So many questions!

Also, what was with the creepy kids doing the dirty work? Do we know the story behind that?

I wonder if Sansa has the power to name Jon a Stark.

[Inglewood Jack]

that one kid who crippled Lancel had legendary ninja accuracy with his knife, managing to sever the dude's spine with a single stab in the dark. what was the whole idea with leading him down there anyways? what if the kid failed to take him down and he found the candles and just blew them out? or heck if he just blew a little bit harder as he was crawling towards them? then Cersei's whole gambit is toast. just like Robert's death by boar, she got extremely lucky it seems.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by cDnStealth

I wonder if Sansa has the power to name Jon a Stark.

I actually had the same query. Someone answered that it is by royal decree only and they'd be right.

According to this (beware, it appears to be a book and tv show link):

http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Legitimization

Stannis offered it to Jon since Stannis considered himself King. Tommen was the one who legitimized Ramsay.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Inglewood Jack

that one kid who crippled Lancel had legendary ninja accuracy with his knife, managing to sever the dude's spine with a single stab in the dark. what was the whole idea with leading him down there anyways? what if the kid failed to take him down and he found the candles and just blew them out? or heck if he just blew a little bit harder as he was crawling towards them? then Cersei's whole gambit is toast. just like Robert's death by boar, she got extremely lucky it seems.

When I watched the scene, it didn't occur to me that the kid was purposely trying to lure anyone. I thought he was peaking inside the building to get intel so he could report back to Cersei what was said and who was present before the place blew up. Then he was spotted and wanted to get away.

I don't know though. Neither situation makes ideal sense I guess.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

When I watched the scene, it didn't occur to me that the kid was purposely trying to lure anyone. I thought he was peaking inside the building to get intel so he could report back to Cersei what was said before the place blew up. Then he was spotted and wanted to get away.

I don't know though. Neither situation makes ideal sense I guess.

I think there is some artistic license there for dramatic effect. Presumably if Lancel blows out the candle then the kid comes in and either suicide lights it or he lights a 10s fuse and runs away.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Inglewood Jack

that one kid who crippled Lancel had legendary ninja accuracy with his knife, managing to sever the dude's spine with a single stab in the dark. what was the whole idea with leading him down there anyways? what if the kid failed to take him down and he found the candles and just blew them out? or heck if he just blew a little bit harder as he was crawling towards them? then Cersei's whole gambit is toast. just like Robert's death by boar, she got extremely lucky it seems.

The show seems to be doing a lot of things that are nonsensical for dramatic effect.

For example, how many high sparrows were there if they were all killed in that room or enough of them killed to remove them as a threat. Supposedly the Lanisters/Tyrell's commanded an army of 10s of thousands. Why didn't Cersei just outlaw the Faith Militant early on and then massacre them? She was worried about public opinion? But it was somehow okay to take out a large city block with them?

She tried to confront the High Sparrow prior to Tommen joining him with a few hundred troops, but why were things allowed to get that far? If the King can outlaw trial by combat, a centuries long tradition, on a whim, surely he could have outlawed a militant religious fanatical group that was murdering civilians.

I haven't read the books, but apparently they are far more concerned about details and logistics. The show wants the cool imagery.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Also, what was with the creepy kids doing the dirty work? Do we know the story behind that?

Originally Posted by Kybosh

My theory with that was that Pycelle was shown throughout the series to be a bit of a hedonist, so I assumed that he was maybe also into child exploitation. Little birds getting some revenge right there.

Qyburn can be seen in previous episodes recruiting, teaching, and feeding them. Probably orphaned children that found a caring Maester, and he has turned them into child soldiers (so to speak).