Minneapolis PD Suffocate Unarmed Black Man Who Later Dies in Hospital

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

I understand why this is said, but I don’t necessarily agree with this term either though. It just creates more division. Some people’s lives are horrible despite skin colour.

But that's not what white privilege is. Anyone can have a horrible life, but white people do not have horrible lives specifically because of their skin colour. People get hung up on the term "privilege" because they think it represents special benefits, and a low-income, poorly-educated white person who came from a broken home with abusive parents certainly doesn't see him or herself as privileged. But that same person, as hard as their life is, doesn't have to deal with systemic racism in society that makes his or her life even harder just because of the way they look.

When white people aren't arbitrarily pulled over by the police, ordered to exit the vehicle, and patted down just because of their skin colour, they don't see that as a special benefit, that's just how everyone is in society is treated right? Except, as we know, that's not how everyone in society is treated.

Much like how the phrase "defund the police" causes some people to draw incorrect conclusions about what people are really advocating for, perhaps the term "white privilege" could be more accurately described as "non-white penalization". Would that terminology be more acceptable to people?

[Scroopy Noopers]

That makes sense. It is similar to defund the police in that regard, of which I was on the opposite side of the argument.

[DownInFlames]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

I had just dropped a friend off in Stirling, which is just off highway 3 about 25 minutes SE of Lethbridge. I hadn't made it back onto the highway yet.

Rural Alberta is rampant with neo-Nazi groups, I have no doubt they are in the RCMP too.

edit: and thank you

Rural cops are the worst. As a teenager I got harassed a few times by RCMP, sometimes deservedly, but never got pulled out of my car and searched.

You’re a good person for picking up your friends. Hopefully this doesn’t prevent you from from doing it again.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

Rural cops are the worst. As a teenager I got harassed a few times by RCMP, sometimes deservedly, but never got pulled out of my car and searched.

You’re a good person for picking up your friends. Hopefully this doesn’t prevent you from from doing it again.

I still will, as much as my situation sucked, it's still more dangerous for one of them to drive. But next time, my best friend is sleeping in the spare room because I need that token white guy in the car with me

[Acey]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

Got pulled over again tonight, patted down. It's the same every time, there was magically a crime in the area by someone who fit my description.

I got pulled over on Friday after the Stampede fireworks. Got a warning for 66 in a 60 zone on Country Hills Blvd. 21 minute stop. Second car came after 9 minutes. They asked me to show them pictures on my camera of the fireworks "to show that I was down there". Pretty sure I'm under no obligation to show them, but it's legitimately what I was doing so I did.

Overall, CPS has been good to me so a 21 minute stop for pretty much nothing seemed unnecessary. I didn't get beat up, pat down, or killed so it's a victory. Agree with rural cops being the absolute worst. Also Lethbridge Police... screw those guys.

I posted it in another thread already but here is one of the pictures I got. Worth a 21 minutes traffic stop, I guess.

[Locke]

Man...thats the dream...'Token White Guy.'

Someone should start a business where you can rent them out for parties and events.

"Your job is to be present, White, and deal with the Police should the need arise."

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Acey

I got pulled over on Friday after the Stampede fireworks. Got a warning for 66 in a 60 zone on Country Hills Blvd. 21 minute stop. Second car came after 9 minutes. They asked me to show them pictures on my camera of the fireworks "to show that I was down there". Pretty sure I'm under no obligation to show them, but it's legitimately what I was doing so I did.

Overall, CPS has been good to me so a 21 minute stop for pretty much nothing seemed unnecessary. I didn't get beat up, pat down, or killed so it's a victory. Agree with rural cops being the absolute worst. Also Lethbridge Police... screw those guys.

I posted it in another thread already but here is one of the pictures I got. Worth a 21 minutes traffic stop, I guess.

And this is why we are fighting. I'm glad it worked out for you too Acey.But it's still so stupid we have to willingly comply to things that violate our rights just to protect our lives.

Also, that is an absolutely amazing photo, would it be cool if I saved it and used it as my desktop photo?

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Acey

I got pulled over on Friday after the Stampede fireworks. Got a warning for 66 in a 60 zone on Country Hills Blvd. 21 minute stop. Second car came after 9 minutes. They asked me to show them pictures on my camera of the fireworks "to show that I was down there". Pretty sure I'm under no obligation to show them, but it's legitimately what I was doing so I did.

Overall, CPS has been good to me so a 21 minute stop for pretty much nothing seemed unnecessary. I didn't get beat up, pat down, or killed so it's a victory. Agree with rural cops being the absolute worst. Also Lethbridge Police... screw those guys.

I posted it in another thread already but here is one of the pictures I got. Worth a 21 minutes traffic stop, I guess.

Okay amazing picture but that is completely unacceptable. Show that you were down there? What in the actual ####.

Despite hearing about how often this happens, I actually still can’t believe it happens this much.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Locke

Man...thats the dream...'Token White Guy.'

Someone should start a business where you can rent them out for parties and events.

"Your job is to be present, White, and deal with the Police should the need arise."

Glad you saw the humor in the comment

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

Glad you saw the humor in the comment

THe world can be an awful, ugly place. Gallows Humor is always in style though.

Sometimes all you can do is laugh. The world might be a little better if we could all just have a laugh.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Okay amazing picture but that is completely unacceptable. Show that you were down there? What in the actual ####.

Despite hearing about how often this happens, I actually still can’t believe it happens this much.

Sounds like it happens to me more than Acey, don't know if it's living in different places, or I just look more like a thug.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Locke

THe world can be an awful, ugly place. Gallows Humor is always in style though.

Sometimes all you can do is laugh. The world might be a little better if we could all just have a laugh.

It's a good coping mechanism, that's why it's so cathartic to tell funny stories about someone after they've passed.

[Acey]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Okay amazing picture but that is completely unacceptable. Show that you were down there? What in the actual ####.

Despite hearing about how often this happens, I actually still can’t believe it happens this much.

He phrased it in a way to try to make it seem conversational. It's a big camera and tripod and the camera was sitting in the passenger footwell with the tripod sticking up. I didn't realize that could look like something bad until he was halfway to the car but it was too late to move it at that point.

In fact I didn't fully understand what had happened till I debriefed the stop with my dad afterward and realized that he was hoping to catch me in a lie to then escalate in some other regard.

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

Also, that is an absolutely amazing photo, would it be cool if I saved it and used it as my desktop photo?

Thanks, and absolutely... this one is maybe better for desktop. Spoiler for massive size.

Spoiler!

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

Sounds like it happens to me more than Acey, don't know if it's living in different places, or I just look more like a thug.

Yeah it definitely happens more to you than me. I have a lot of piercings, 13, 14 or something... got them all a decade ago. I don't wear jewelery in any of them anymore except little transparent retainers in the holes I want to save. My hair was braided so I threw on a Flames toque before he got to the car, a hat I keep on the backseat of my car specifically for that purpose.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by Locke

Man...thats the dream...'Token White Guy.'

Someone should start a business where you can rent them out for parties and events.

"Your job is to be present, White, and deal with the Police should the need arise."

There are companies in Asia where you can be paid to be the token white guy. Sit in on board meetings, shareholder functions, inter-corporate dealings. You don't actually have to say or do anything, just being there gives the company more credibility for having a white guy in an executive position

And speaking of white privilege, nowhere exemplifies that more than SE Asia. The amount of preferential treatment you can get just for having white skin in those countries is insane

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Acey

He phrased it in a way to try to make it seem conversational. It's a big camera and tripod and the camera was sitting in the passenger footwell with the tripod sticking up. I didn't realize that could look like something bad until he was halfway to the car but it was too late to move it at that point.

In fact I didn't fully understand what had happened till I debriefed the stop with my dad afterward and realized that he was hoping to catch me in a lie to then escalate in some other regard.



Thanks, and absolutely... this one is maybe better for desktop. Spoiler for massive size.

Spoiler!

Here's to it hopefully being a long time before either of us get pulled over again.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Acey

Yeah it definitely happens more to you than me. I have a lot of piercings, 13, 14 or something... got them all a decade ago. I don't wear jewelery in any of them anymore except little transparent retainers in the holes I want to save. My hair was braided so I threw on a Flames toque before he got to the car, a hat I keep on the backseat of my car specifically for that purpose.

That's exactly why I shave my head, don't need to have emergency hair cover. I don't have piercings, but I am pretty tatted up. But if I go out at night I always wear long sleeves because of that.

[Acey]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

Here's to it hopefully being a long time before either of us get pulled over again.

I only get pulled over maybe a once a year on average, especially now that I'm back in Calgary. This was the second time this year, and only once last year. First time was a blown passenger side rear turn signal bulb that I didn't know about. I had an extra one in the car and changed it right there.

Country Hills Blvd on a Friday night at midnight could be a cash cow for those guys, but instead they're gonna pull me over and waste 20 minutes just to give me a warning for 6 over. Good lord.

[ResAlien]

Interesting poll regarding how some conservatives want to frame the defund the police conversation. Maybe some people are capable of grasping nuance more than we give them credit for

Just 18% of voters think “defund the police” means “get rid of the police,” while 77% believe it means a call to action to change the way police operate.

https://politicalwire.com/2020/07/08...ice-literally/

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Interesting poll regarding how some conservatives want to frame the defund the police conversation. Maybe some people are capable of grasping nuance than we give them credit for

https://politicalwire.com/2020/07/08...ice-literally/

Sure seems that way - here is the actual poll question.

34. When you hear people say they want to “Defund the Police” – do you think most of them really want to get rid of police departments or do you think most of them just want to change the way police departments operate?

Late June 2020
Get rid of police 18%
Change the way police operate 77%
(VOL) Don’t know 5%
(n) (867)

Here are a couple of other interesting responses from that poll.

30. Has Donald Trump’s handling of the protests made the current situation better or made it worse?

Late June 2020
Better 20%
Worse 62%
(VOL) Neither, no impact 11%
(VOL) Don’t know 7%
(n) (867)

Bad news for Trump, but not really surprising.

29. Do you think there is more racism, less racism, or about the same amount of racism among police officers than among other groups in society?

TREND: Late June 2020 Dec.2014
More racism among police 28% 25%
Less racism among police 14% 12%
Same amount of racism 51% 56%
(VOL) Don’t know 7% 8%
(n) (867) (1,008)

No significant change in attitudes there.

26. Has the Black Lives Matters movement made racial issues in America better or worse, or has it not really changed things either way?

TREND: Late June 2020 July 2016*
Better 26% 10%
Worse 38% 48%
Not really changed things 32% 36%
(VOL) Don’t know 5% 6%
(n) (867) (805)
*Registered voters

Significant positive movement towards support for BLM, but still overall more people see it as a negative force.

Do you think that racial and ethnic discrimination in the United States is a problem or not a problem? [If PROBLEM: Is it a big problem or a small problem?]

TREND: Late June 2020 Early June 2020 July 2016* Jan. 2015
Yes, big problem 67% 76% 68% 51%
Yes, small problem 10% 12% 12% 21%
Yes, but not sure if big or small 4% 4% 7% 9%
No, not a problem 17% 7% 10% 18%
(VOL) Don’t know 1% 0% 3% 1%
(n) (867) (759) (805) (1,003)
*Registered voters

That's the million dollar question... and almost zero change in response since 2016. That, I would not have expected.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

There are companies in Asia where you can be paid to be the token white guy. Sit in on board meetings, shareholder functions, inter-corporate dealings. You don't actually have to say or do anything, just being there gives the company more credibility for having a white guy in an executive position

And speaking of white privilege, nowhere exemplifies that more than SE Asia. The amount of preferential treatment you can get just for having white skin in those countries is insane

Once again, Asia is ahead of the Curve!