09-08-2017, 09:23 AM
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#21
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Ottawa REDBLACKS poking some fun at the Senators:
Breaking news: @TD_PLACE to add 1,500 "gently used" seats to stadium capacity. More details to follow.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BYyMyCEhvQI/
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09-08-2017, 09:25 AM
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#22
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Originally Posted by dash_pinched
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Thats awesome.
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09-08-2017, 09:26 AM
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#23
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by The Cobra
Because allowing people to buy these tickets for pennies on the dollar will virtually ensure that the more expensive seats would now go empty, as people oft for the much cheaper seats.
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Disagree. Many fans in Calgary simply refuse to sit in the press level because they have such a distaste for the crowd, distance from the ice up there and are more than willing to pay double if not more to do so. People that are already buying second level seats are not going to abandon these because there is a cheaper option available. They're in these seats already because they chose to be and this would be no different in Ottawa.
The privileged hockey fan tends to forget that it's a luxury to attend games and sit in decent seats. If the Sens are looking for increased demand in a struggling market you absolutely want to appeal to the fans that otherwise may not be able to afford to attend games with a selection of 'cheaper' seats.
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Last edited by Hot_Flatus; 09-08-2017 at 09:30 AM.
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09-08-2017, 11:03 AM
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#24
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Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus
Disagree. Many fans in Calgary simply refuse to sit in the press level because they have such a distaste for the crowd, distance from the ice up there and are more than willing to pay double if not more to do so. People that are already buying second level seats are not going to abandon these because there is a cheaper option available. They're in these seats already because they chose to be and this would be no different in Ottawa.
The privileged hockey fan tends to forget that it's a luxury to attend games and sit in decent seats. If the Sens are looking for increased demand in a struggling market you absolutely want to appeal to the fans that otherwise may not be able to afford to attend games with a selection of 'cheaper' seats.
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Well, it's a simplification, but one way to increase demand is to decrease supply. Which seats would you remove to decrease supply?
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09-08-2017, 11:11 AM
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#25
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Originally Posted by the2bears
Well, it's a simplification, but one way to increase demand is to decrease supply. Which seats would you remove to decrease supply?
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Those seats would be full at the right price point and I'm sure they were a few years ago.
For all the noise these teams make about their value to the community when they're asking for millions of public funds to finance new arenas they could at the very least go out and coordinate with some charity groups to put some butts in those seats instead of letting them rot.
What would be a better headline? Sens shutter 1500 seats to increase demand. Or Sens designate 1500 seats for underprivileged families?
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09-08-2017, 11:31 AM
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Scoring Winger
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I see no problem with this. As mentioned before the Flames did the exact same thing to the entire PL sections for years. Some of the comments in here are ridiculous.
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09-08-2017, 11:35 AM
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#27
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Originally Posted by GullFoss
Its the micro-economics of events. Scarcity helps drives demand for season tickets, which ensures higher revenues because STH's offload a lot risk for the organization and take both good games and bad games. Its a weird phenomenon on the surface, but its true.
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+1
Winnipeg would not add more seats if they could. The amount they have now is perfect for driving demand in that market.
Ottawa is a strange case - stuck between Montreal and Toronto for so long without an NHL team, most people over 40 there are really fans of the Habs and Leafs (and other NHL teams) and never really adopted the Sens. All my cousins in Ottawa (40s and 50s) do not list the Sens as their favorite team - they support the Habs, Leafs, Oilers, Hawks.
One cousin told me there is a location ear-marked for a new arena closer to downtown (which would help fans in East Ottawa and Quebec). Not sure how far along this project is.
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09-08-2017, 01:22 PM
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#28
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Originally Posted by rain_e
I see no problem with this. As mentioned before the Flames did the exact same thing to the entire PL sections for years. Some of the comments in here are ridiculous.
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The Flames did it after 7 straight years of losing. Ottawa is doing it with a team that is fresh off Conference Finals appearance. It's not quite the same at all.
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09-08-2017, 01:47 PM
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#29
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Scoring Winger
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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
The Flames did it after 7 straight years of losing. Ottawa is doing it with a team that is fresh off Conference Finals appearance. It's not quite the same at all.
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It's exactly the same. Supply and Demand.
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09-08-2017, 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by rain_e
It's exactly the same. Supply and Demand.
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I rarely agree with Erick, but the Flames sucked for a long time before roping off sections. Coming off a Conference Finals appearance? Thats pretty low.
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09-08-2017, 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by rain_e
It's exactly the same. Supply and Demand.
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Haha, what? ErickEstrada surely knows what supply and demand is, he was stating that our demand went down during seven straight years of no playoffs and in a different NHL era where the team had no hope of competing in the NHL.
The Senators demand has always been down, highlighted this season by dismal attendance for a Canadian market in the current NHL era, especially considering they're a playoff team. 2000 empty seats during playoff games and you're going to compare that to Calgary or any other Canadian city? C'mon.
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09-08-2017, 03:51 PM
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Scoring Winger
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All I was comparing is that I don't see an issue with what Ottawa has done. There is an oversupply of tickets (seats) for the market currently. They took those off the market. If they are selling out games with less seats the tickets on the market will see more demand.
By reducing the seats I'm guessing it also reduces some costs (less employees) then selling the tickets at a reduced rate.
I remember the ####ty days in Calgary and walking up to the box office to get a couple of tickets to Gretzky's last game here.
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09-08-2017, 04:33 PM
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In the Sin Bin
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There's not an issue with what Ottawa has done, but it does speak to the quality of the market.
That said, two mitigating factors: The Phoenix pay system fiasco meant that the city's largest employer effectively was not paying most of its employees, and the arena location is absolutely terrible. As in, almost-worse-than-Glendale terrible.
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09-08-2017, 07:01 PM
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#34
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Draft Pick
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Location: Ottawa
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The location of the arena is terrible. We seem to have trouble supporting sport teams here.
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09-09-2017, 02:46 AM
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#35
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Scoring Winger
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I've been to a game in Ottawa. The arena is in the middle of f%#king nowhere!
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10-18-2017, 01:39 PM
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#36
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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Just over 13000 last night hosting the Canucks. Vancouver and Ottawa have both fallen to Arizona levels of empty seats. It's incredible.
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10-18-2017, 01:50 PM
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#1 Goaltender
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Hmmm interesting...
Almost like 25 years of ever higher prices reduced the affordability of games for families. So fewer familes at the games, and as a result, fewer kids. And now those kids who missed out on experiencing the NHL live have become adults have few emotional ties to the teams and thus feel little impetus to buy season tickets or game packs. And as a result, there's a lot of empty seats.
Almost like the NHL is kill the golden goose by trying to maximize short-term profits rather than long-term profits.
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10-18-2017, 01:54 PM
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#38
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Location: east van
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Idiots should just drop prices, offer to let kids in free with a full priced adult.
build up your fan base not exclude the most likely to follow your team.
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10-18-2017, 01:55 PM
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#39
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Taking a while to get to 5000
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Tuesday night game against an uninteresting opponent in an arena that's out of the way.
Not making excuses for past attendance issues, but this one sort of explains itself no?
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10-18-2017, 02:06 PM
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#40
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Not just Ottawa specific, but this is what tends to happen when teams are always chasing the luxury box and corporate crowd. The fanbase that actually gives a crap about your team erodes by being priced out.
It's happening with the Flames too, and will go into over-drive with any new arena. Fewer, but more expensive seats, that cater to the rich corporate client who is probably ambivalent about the actually product on the ice.
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