I doubt he actually has most of you on ignore because he is virtually always getting what he wants out of you guys.
I told everyone eons ago they should just put that stupid ############ on ignore; nothing of value is lost and the only time you have to deal with his stupid sh-t is when someone regrettably quotes his vapid, ignorant nonsense for all of us to see.
No so much black market, but demand for “old” or “original” (pre government meddling) products is quite common. And you’re not too far off with the seatbelt comparison but pre DEF diesel trucks and tractors still have a ton of demand. And DEF deleting vehicle has become quite the business in the right market.
I know there are certain herbicides that have been banned which people will pay a premium for should they be able to source them, or bring them home from the US. Neither has turned citizens into criminals but there are ways around regulations that some get off on trying to find.
Oh and Satellite TV use to be a big one, getting US (unregulated) satellite as kid was hours upon hours of 80’s/ 90’s joy. Having “a guy” guaranteed Wrestling, hockey, porn and movies 24/7. So the current equivalent would be a US VPN. The internet would be a good example of how (over?) regulations have created a black market for the unregulated.
Prohibition, tobacco/ drugs bans created huge black markets turning to citizens into criminals.
This is really what I was talking about.
Any kind of ban or restriction on tobacco / alcohol has generally resulted in an expansion of the black market for those products. This has been true since prohibition in the 20s and 30s.
Also why the government can't just infinitely raise the taxes on cigarettes because the black market is as is already huge.
Also true with weed. Also why the government has since changed their stance.
Also, what has killed more people in Canada? Guns or drinking and driving? If it were possible to just 'ban' something and make problems disappear, why not just ban alcohol?
That is where the argument falls apart, and where all the Liberal supporters start tripping over themselves trying to explain this rather ridiculous bill change.
Canada has a very decent gun ownership system despite the fact that we contend daily with smuggling across the US border, which is also where most of the gun crime comes from.
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I don't see a logical reason for anyone to own a gun. If you like hunting, then you should further respect the animal and go back to the methods our ancestors survived on for millenia. Use a bow or a spear. Whatever floats your boat.
I'm not trying to make a legal argument at all, just a general why the hell do you need any sort of gun comment. What is the ultimate purpose of you, a regular individual, owning a gun?
Edit: and if I'm to lean on weak analogies as above, I would say that society also doesn't allow regular people to own explosives, or specific types of chemicals because of their imbalanced potential for harm to many individuals. So what makes a gun different? Explosives can be used for mining. Chemicals have myriad potential applications. We still restrict ownership and use.
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I don't see a logical reason for anyone to own a gun. If you like hunting, then you should further respect the animal and go back to the methods our ancestors survived on for millenia. Use a bow or a spear. Whatever floats your boat.
I'm not trying to make a legal argument at all, just a general why the hell do you need any sort of gun comment. What is the ultimate purpose of you, a regular individual, owning a gun?
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I don't see a logical reason for anyone to own a gun. If you like hunting, then you should further respect the animal and go back to the methods our ancestors survived on for millenia. Use a bow or a spear. Whatever floats your boat.
I'm not trying to make a legal argument at all, just a general why the hell do you need any sort of gun comment. What is the ultimate purpose of you, a regular individual, owning a gun?
Edit: and if I'm to lean on weak analogies as above, I would say that society also doesn't allow regular people to own explosives, or specific types of chemicals because of their imbalanced potential for harm to many individuals. So what makes a gun different? Explosives can be used for mining. Chemicals have myriad potential applications. We still restrict ownership and use.
To practice veterinarian medicine.
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I don't see a logical reason for anyone to own a gun. If you like hunting, then you should further respect the animal and go back to the methods our ancestors survived on for millenia. Use a bow or a spear. Whatever floats your boat.
If you think about it, if you're going to hunt for either sport or necessity, isn't it more humane to do with a tool that is more effective and efficient? I'm neither a gun guy or a bow and arrow dude, but I've used both and it takes far more skill to fire (is that the right word?) a bow than fire a gun.
I'm also not a hunter, but I imagine a rifle provides the opportunity for a cleaner kill than a bow. If you're going to kill something at least do it right.
"Because our ancestors did it this way" is a strange argument.
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I'm not trying to make a legal argument at all, just a general why the hell do you need any sort of gun comment. What is the ultimate purpose of you, a regular individual, owning a gun?
I don't own a gun and frankly cannot foresee a reason I would ever want or need to own one. Unless the zombies come. However, "I like guns" is a valid enough answer. Enjoying the aesthetic, using it as a hunting tool, using it as a recreational tool, and so on are perfectly acceptable and justifiable answers. IMO, the self-defense argument is weak unless you live in a land proliferated by guns, absent of law, or both.
I'm generally anti-gun, but I'll be honest: shooting a gun is fun. Target shooting is a good time. I've only done it on a handful of occasions and it's a blast, so to speak.
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Edit: and if I'm to lean on weak analogies as above, I would say that society also doesn't allow regular people to own explosives, or specific types of chemicals because of their imbalanced potential for harm to many individuals. So what makes a gun different? Explosives can be used for mining. Chemicals have myriad potential applications. We still restrict ownership and use.
Yes, these are all weak comparisons. When mining the Black Hills for gold returns in the same fashion as hunting to feed yourself we'll have a cup of coffee over it.
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I don't see a logical reason for anyone to own a gun. If you like hunting, then you should further respect the animal and go back to the methods our ancestors survived on for millenia. Use a bow or a spear. Whatever floats your boat.
I'm not trying to make a legal argument at all, just a general why the hell do you need any sort of gun comment. What is the ultimate purpose of you, a regular individual, owning a gun?
Edit: and if I'm to lean on weak analogies as above, I would say that society also doesn't allow regular people to own explosives, or specific types of chemicals because of their imbalanced potential for harm to many individuals. So what makes a gun different? Explosives can be used for mining. Chemicals have myriad potential applications. We still restrict ownership and use.
There is a lot in this post I strongly disagree with, and this comes from a guy who only bow hunts, and does not have any firearms or a PAL. I challenge you at some point in your life to join a hunter on a rifle hunt and experience it for yourself. its not nearly as simple as some make it out to be. At least you did not simply say, Why hunt, as this is becoming more common all the time.
Even your analogy is off as you say society doesn't allow regular people to own chemicals. True, However, thru proper training and storage requirements you can obtain them, Just like firearms. Owning firearms is not like we stroll down the street to the local Canadian tire one day and decide to purchase a 30-06.
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I don't see a logical reason for anyone to own a gun. If you like hunting, then you should further respect the animal and go back to the methods our ancestors survived on for millenia. Use a bow or a spear. Whatever floats your boat.
I'm not trying to make a legal argument at all, just a general why the hell do you need any sort of gun comment. What is the ultimate purpose of you, a regular individual, owning a gun?
Edit: and if I'm to lean on weak analogies as above, I would say that society also doesn't allow regular people to own explosives, or specific types of chemicals because of their imbalanced potential for harm to many individuals. So what makes a gun different? Explosives can be used for mining. Chemicals have myriad potential applications. We still restrict ownership and use.
There are a number actually, just remove yourself from the city for a brief moment. Every farmer/ rancher I know has a gun, with livestock protection (coyotes) being the biggest reason, rodent/ pest control (muskrats, magpies, gophers) being another. Of course there’s also the hunters and sport shooters
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There are non-firearm methods to kill livestock or animals that are available to veterinarians.
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If you think about it, if you're going to hunt for either sport or necessity, isn't it more humane to do with a tool that is more effective and efficient? I'm neither a gun guy or a bow and arrow dude, but I've used both and it takes far more skill to fire (is that the right word?) a bow than fire a gun.
I'm also not a hunter, but I imagine a rifle provides the opportunity for a cleaner kill than a bow. If you're going to kill something at least do it right.
"Because our ancestors did it this way" is a strange argument.
I don't own a gun and frankly cannot foresee a reason I would ever want or need to own one. Unless the zombies come. However, "I like guns" is a valid enough answer. Enjoying the aesthetic, using it as a hunting tool, using it as a recreational tool, and so on are perfectly acceptable and justifiable answers. IMO, the self-defense argument is weak unless you live in a land proliferated by guns, absent of law, or both.
I'm generally anti-gun, but I'll be honest: shooting a gun is fun. Target shooting is a good time. I've only done it on a handful of occasions and it's a blast, so to speak.
Yes, these are all weak comparisons. When mining the Black Hills for gold returns in the same fashion as hunting to feed yourself we'll have a cup of coffee over it.
Yes, I believe I admitted that they were weak analogies, as Azure also used to drinking and drugs.
Shooting is fun- this was the position I was hoping would come out. So we're willing to balance personal enjoyment against the potential for mass death?
This serves as a response to btimbit's post as well. It's fine if that's what your position is, just admit that you value personal enjoyment of a novelty more than societal well-being.
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There is a lot in this post I strongly disagree with, and this comes from a guy who only bow hunts, and does not have any firearms or a PAL. I challenge you at some point in your life to join a hunter on a rifle hunt and experience it for yourself. its not nearly as simple as some make it out to be. At least you did not simply say, Why hunt, as this is becoming more common all the time.
Even your analogy is off as you say society doesn't allow regular people to own chemicals. True, However, thru proper training and storage requirements you can obtain them, Just like firearms. Owning firearms is not like we stroll down the street to the local Canadian tire one day and decide to purchase a 30-06.
I have been on a firearm hunt before. I didn't at any point say it was easy. That was an inference you made based on my comment of returning to more traditional hunting methods. I'm just saying there are other tools to accomplish the exact same end that don't represent a substantial threat to the lives of many people. A knife can also harm people, but the scale of threat a firearm represents compared to a knife is obvious.
Regarding acquisition of chemicals through licensing: there are still some chemicals that you cannot obtain in spite of licensing, that are specially restricted and controlled.
There are a number actually, just remove yourself from the city for a brief moment. Every farmer/ rancher I know has a gun, with livestock protection (coyotes) being the biggest reason, rodent/ pest control (muskrats, magpies, gophers) being another. Of course there’s also the hunters and sport shooters
Farmers have other tools to control pests and protect livestock. These activities were performed successfully for thousands of years prior to the common use of firearms.
There are non-firearm methods to kill livestock or animals that are available to veterinarians.
Yes, I believe I admitted that they were weak analogies, as Azure also used to drinking and drugs.
Shooting is fun- this was the position I was hoping would come out. So we're willing to balance personal enjoyment against the potential for mass death?
This serves as a response to btimbit's post as well. It's fine if that's what your position is, just admit that you value personal enjoyment of a novelty more than societal well-being.
I have been on a firearm hunt before. I didn't at any point say it was easy. That was an inference you made based on my comment of returning to more traditional hunting methods. I'm just saying there are other tools to accomplish the exact same end that don't represent a substantial threat to the lives of many people. A knife can also harm people, but the scale of threat a firearm represents compared to a knife is obvious.
Regarding acquisition of chemicals through licensing: there are still some chemicals that you cannot obtain in spite of licensing, that are specially restricted and controlled.
The scale of threat of a firearm we are speaking to is likely far less then other means to be frank. A cube van would be much more lethal then many of the firearms we are speaking about in many scenarios. I would bet a longbow with a quiver of arrows is more lethal then some of these firearms. Threat is a matter of human existence.
You are welcome to dispatch the wolf eating your livestock with other means available then a firearm.
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The scale of threat of a firearm we are speaking to is likely far less then other means to be frank. A cube van would be much more lethal then many of the firearms we are speaking about in many scenarios. I would bet a longbow with a quiver of arrows is more lethal then some of these firearms. Threat is a matter of human existence.
You are welcome to dispatch the wolf eating your livestock with other means available then a firearm.
I've got Russic on speed dial, thanks though.
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Farmers have other tools to control pests and protect livestock. These activities were performed successfully for thousands of years prior to the common use of firearms.
You should go and convince a rancher to belly crawl through the long grass with a spear to take care of whatever apex predator is taking down their livestock.
Point being some people do have a reason to own a gun. And, in my opinion, being a hunter is a reason. Hunting is a sport, a way of life, even an income for many Canadians. The government must know that and they should respect it. Sneaking in shot guns and long rifles into C21 wasn't a bright move and I strongly doubt represents the will of the people.
I'm not a hunter nor do I own a gun, but certainly respect those who do and do it legally and safely. Which is probably 99% of them.
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Again, its not like the existing laws are exactly lose.
You need to take training.
Register your weapon.
Store and transport you weapon as defined by law.
I think that this is a classic example of how Canadians conflate American laws and customs with Canadian ones.
No one here is arguing for less strict laws. No one wants what the USA has. We just what was already in place.
Again, its not like the existing laws are exactly lose.
You need to take training.
Register your weapon.
Store and transport you weapon as defined by law.
I think that this is a classic example of how Canadians conflate American laws and customs with Canadian ones.
No one here is arguing for less strict laws. No one wants what the USA has. We just what was already in place.
Canada is essentially like this though:
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There are non-firearm methods to kill livestock or animals that are available to veterinarians.
Yes, I believe I admitted that they were weak analogies, as Azure also used to drinking and drugs.
Shooting is fun- this was the position I was hoping would come out. So we're willing to balance personal enjoyment against the potential for mass death?
This serves as a response to btimbit's post as well. It's fine if that's what your position is, just admit that you value personal enjoyment of a novelty more than societal well-being.
I have been on a firearm hunt before. I didn't at any point say it was easy. That was an inference you made based on my comment of returning to more traditional hunting methods. I'm just saying there are other tools to accomplish the exact same end that don't represent a substantial threat to the lives of many people. A knife can also harm people, but the scale of threat a firearm represents compared to a knife is obvious.
Regarding acquisition of chemicals through licensing: there are still some chemicals that you cannot obtain in spite of licensing, that are specially restricted and controlled.
Legally obtained and stored firearms are not a substantial threat to you or any Canadian. You've been watching too much U.S. news. Of course, there is potential just like there is potential for someone to mow down a sidewalk with 100 people in their rented cube van. And it's way easier to rent a van than get a gun.
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I didn't say farmers should go spear hunt apex predators. That's not what farmers did in the 1600s. They had wolfdogs and donkeys and other such creatures that will stomp the #### out of coyotes dumb enough to stalk into their turf.
I also like the undercurrent accusations of base fear of firearms because of media. I lived outside of Detroit- I don't need to fear firearm death here the same way. That doesn't change my overall point: Owning a firearm is largely a vanity issue. Perhaps there's even some fear and safety in owning one. If you're willing to prioritize your personal enjoyment of a novelty over larger societal well being, fine. But don't pretend to portray your desire as a necessity.
