03-01-2021, 08:31 PM
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#261
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
So under what scenario do you hold the players accountable?
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When you have a real coach with a legit grasp of NHL hockey, the players that insist on being passengers are shipped out.
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03-01-2021, 08:32 PM
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#262
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
So under what scenario do you hold the players accountable?
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Haven't we the fans done that? We have discussed here at CP for a long time that the core needed changes. Many of us were anticipating Gaudreau or Monahan being moved in the offseason and nothing happened. If anything the GM hasn't held the players accountable as he seems to be the lone person on this planet that still believes in this core forward group that's failed him year after year. Too attached and it may cost him his job.
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03-01-2021, 08:33 PM
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#263
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Lifetime Suspension
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Some comforting OOT news:
Oilers have allowed 2 goals on 2 shots in their game.
Suck it, lurkers.
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03-01-2021, 08:33 PM
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#264
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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I hate that Lucic interview for one reason:
“Instead of trying to make that play to Benny, I’ve got to get that in”
It’s that type of scared passive mentality that is causing this team to struggle. Trying the pass itself is fine, but if you mess of you better get on your horse and get back. Which is what both Lucic and Bennett failed to do.
To point the finger at attempting the pass itself is why I think it’s also a coaching issue. You fault the effort on the back check there and the execution but not the attempt to actually make a play.
But that’s the issue with this coaching staff. They want this team to play ultra passive, ultra safe, and afraid to make a play or take a risk.
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03-01-2021, 08:33 PM
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#265
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
So under what scenario do you hold the players accountable?
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I have a hard time blaming the players when they are playing so far below anyone's expectations, and they look just terrible doing it.
It's one things to lose games, and another to get repeatedly embarrassed.
I said in the game thread. The Flames were starting to really take over, and press the Sens. We got an offensive zone faceoff and Ward sends out the 4th line. That move stopped the momentum dead. There was no reason to not press with your other three lines to get a goal. Instead Ward sent out his momentum killing 4the line. Brutal game management.
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03-01-2021, 08:34 PM
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#266
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: North of the River, South of the Bluff
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Originally Posted by mile
Lucic's quotes sound exactly like something he would say to Treliving if Ward gets canned.
Can't put too much stock in them because of how close he is to Ward. He brought up how they played last year but they the results were mediocre last year too.
Returning home with a 2-day break and a 3-day break the week after. If the Flames don't move on from Ward now, then it's not happening for the rest of the season for sure.
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Lucic also won’t fight Oilers cause he loves those guys too.
Seems like an awesome dude, but his job expectations are unfortunately different than what is really needed here.
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03-01-2021, 08:34 PM
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#267
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Calgary
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This season is the pits man
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03-01-2021, 08:35 PM
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#268
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
I hate that Lucic interview for one reason:
“Instead of trying to make that play to Benny, I’ve got to get that in”
It’s that type of scared passive mentality that is causing this team to struggle. Trying the pass itself is fine, but if you mess of you better get on your horse and get back. Which is what both Lucic and Bennett failed to do.
To point the finger at attempting the pass itself is why I think it’s also a coaching issue. You fault the effort on the back check there and the execution but not the attempt to actually make a play.
But that’s the issue with this coaching staff. They want this team to play ultra passive, ultra safe, and afraid to make a play or take a risk.
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Bennett and Lucic don't need to be passing pucks into the middle of the ice...maybe the top two lines but those guys should be nothing but crashing and banging.
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03-01-2021, 08:35 PM
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#269
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
But that’s the issue with this coaching staff. They want this team to play ultra passive, ultra safe, and afraid to make a play or take a risk.
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And this is why the games have been so effing boring, and the players look lost most of the time.
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03-01-2021, 08:36 PM
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#270
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OldDutch
Lucic also won’t fight Oilers cause he loves those guys too.
Seems like an awesome dude, but his job expectations are unfortunately different than what is really needed here.
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What Oiler is gonna fight Lucic? Part of the problem is nobody will go with him...he got a fight last game against a heavyweight and made him look like a peewee player.
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03-01-2021, 08:36 PM
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#271
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Vancouver
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Originally Posted by Dion
A new coach might give this team a temporary lift but it wouldn't solve the lack of mental toughness in the dressing room. We're too pillowy soft and the players can't hand;e adversity.
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Maybe true, but right now there's no leaders on the ice or behind the bench. At least a legit coach gets them part of the equation. These players have always needed a strong leader to coach them. Seems obvious to everyone but the GM.
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"I was like Christ, lying on my back, with my arms outstretched, crucified"
-- Frank Musil - Early January 1994
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03-01-2021, 08:36 PM
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#272
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Commie Referee
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Small town, B.C.
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Originally Posted by Wastedyouth
This is so true. Not every team does but the top 3rd of the league are ridiculously fast paced. The Flames haven't looked like that in a long time.
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I think a huge part of that is the Flames just aren't a fast team. Tough to play that style when you don't have the horses. Johnny is quick and can dart around pretty good. Chucky is slow. Monahan is slow. Lindholm is average. Backlund is average. Eat Bread is a good skater. Dube too. Lucic is slow. Bennett is average. A few years ago when the Flames looked like a faster team they also had Brodie and Gio to help out the transition and they were both good/fast skaters. Now TJ is gone and Gio is a shell of his former self. That's a big issue too, they do not have any fast skating offensive defensemen.
Tough to want to play a fast/up tempo style when the roster isn't cut out for that at all. It's something I'd like to see addressed in the near future. Besides bringing in players with more heart they need to bring in players that can play a faster style.
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03-01-2021, 08:36 PM
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#273
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Lifetime Suspension
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I don't think this team is capable of winning 4 playoff rounds no matter the coach. But I sure as heck don't think this group is as bad as they are playing not even close.
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03-01-2021, 08:37 PM
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#274
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
So under what scenario do you hold the players accountable?
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So under what scenario do you hold coaches accountable. Two can play the cop-out game.
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03-01-2021, 08:37 PM
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#275
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by shogged
This season is the pits man
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I thought the shortened 12/13 was the worst season.
This one's really giving it a run for its money.
At least meaningful changes were made in that one.
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03-01-2021, 08:38 PM
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#277
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by Dion
Maybe we start sitting core players in the press box for a few games to send a message or be like Bob Hartley and personaly call out your players in media sessions.
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Too late for that now. The going home and 2/3 day breaks becomes the focus. They have 6 home games and lots of practice time to "right the ship".
To have any real meaning, I would:
- Send some guys (42, 20, 81, 29, 6) right down to the AHL, bring some guys up to play on HNIC vs MTL
- ANd sit out all the ON (23, 93, 27, 5 - 88 & 8 get a pass) boys on the return trip to TO.
That's a message.
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03-01-2021, 08:39 PM
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#278
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
I hate that Lucic interview for one reason:
“Instead of trying to make that play to Benny, I’ve got to get that in”
It’s that type of scared passive mentality that is causing this team to struggle. Trying the pass itself is fine, but if you mess of you better get on your horse and get back. Which is what both Lucic and Bennett failed to do.
To point the finger at attempting the pass itself is why I think it’s also a coaching issue. You fault the effort on the back check there and the execution but not the attempt to actually make a play.
But that’s the issue with this coaching staff. They want this team to play ultra passive, ultra safe, and afraid to make a play or take a risk.
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While the coaching staff has a fair share of blame in where this team is mentally right now, this isn't a situation where I put blame. This is Lucic protection of Bennett by taking the blame for Sam's mistake moreso then an insight into coaching strategy.
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03-01-2021, 08:39 PM
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#279
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Toronto
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Issues with this organization, in my opinion, in order;
1) BT
2) Core
3) Coach
A lot of people aren't going to like that order but I think the structure of the line up is so severely flawed that no coach really has a chance at taking this group to the promise land.
Fire BT immediately, ride it out with Ward for the rest of the season, let the new GM come in and hire his coach and shake up the core. Hopefully acquire a high pick in the lotto.
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03-01-2021, 08:39 PM
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#280
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Franchise Player
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We hear these “not good enough” proclamations from the players after embarrassing blowouts at least once a week now. Sometimes twice. Getting old.
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