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Old 11-28-2022, 08:47 AM   #9261
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Yeah, NATO isn't as unified as they like to promote.
Who promotes NATO as unified? They're a treaty that exists for one purpose: Mutual defence of existing territory against expansionist threat. Orban not respecting the territorial integrity of a non-member state doesn't in any way change the unity of NATO against it's stated intention. You can bet that Orban would invoke article 5 if Russian troops touched his border. Same with Turkey; they have absolutely no requirement to defend Ukraine or to allow food shipments. They are not in those types of alliances with the West. They are in a defence alliance, and they are using all of the influence they can and their positional importance to maximize the benefit for their people. Frankly that's what a government is supposed to do. Is it noble? No, but stop conflating the unity of NATO for meaning they are 100% aligned on all policy. Absolutely not- NATO has a single purpose and all members have shown pretty thoroughly that they are absolutely invested in at least that one purpose.
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Old 11-28-2022, 09:55 AM   #9262
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Just a little story about some of the UA refugees here in Calgary:

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Old 11-28-2022, 01:56 PM   #9263
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Yet another thread about many great people doing unbelievable humanitarian work in Ukraine. Really hope that history never forgets the lengths in which these people have stood up and gone to bat for one another during these awful times. Incredibly inspiring stuff.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1596982688652873728

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Thank you for posting. Whenever I read these stories it reaffirms my belief that the democratic countries Canada, the US, Australia, Europe, Japan, etc have to keep being the light.
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https://twitter.com/user/status/1597730109108420608

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On Nov. 22, Melitopol Mayor Ivan Fedorov reported that a Russian S-300 missile launcher was used to carry out an attack on a maternity ward in Zaporizhzhia Oblast, killing a two-day-old newborn and injuring the mother.
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The Ukrainian military has “demolished” the Russian unit behind the deadly missile strike on a maternity ward in Vilniansk, Zaporizhzhia Oblast


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Beautiful. #### the Russians who were involved in this attack.
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Old 11-30-2022, 11:48 PM   #9270
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A great video about the first hours of the war and how close Russia truly was to a decisive win that could have drastically shifted the outlook of the war and the fall of Kyiv much more probable.

This is the video that is being talked about from CNN, on Feb 24



https://twitter.com/user/status/1496933088034627584

https://twitter.com/user/status/1496987322553876480

At the time we had absolutely no idea how extremely important preventing these 18 planes from landing after VDV lost control of the airport truly was. The Battle of Antonov Airport is one of those historically significant battles that will be studied for a very long time.
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Who promotes NATO as unified? They're a treaty that exists for one purpose: Mutual defence of existing territory against expansionist threat. Orban not respecting the territorial integrity of a non-member state doesn't in any way change the unity of NATO against it's stated intention. You can bet that Orban would invoke article 5 if Russian troops touched his border. Same with Turkey; they have absolutely no requirement to defend Ukraine or to allow food shipments. They are not in those types of alliances with the West. They are in a defence alliance, and they are using all of the influence they can and their positional importance to maximize the benefit for their people. Frankly that's what a government is supposed to do. Is it noble? No, but stop conflating the unity of NATO for meaning they are 100% aligned on all policy. Absolutely not- NATO has a single purpose and all members have shown pretty thoroughly that they are absolutely invested in at least that one purpose.
Sure, I get that a diverse alliance will have countries that have different priorities. When it comes to the territorial integrity of members, they do promote a united stance on that. I am surprised that would even be in question. The whole point of the alliance is to ensure that every inch of territory among its members is secure, so having a head of state openly promote irredentism against four other NATO members and a country currently partnered with NATO certainly puts a wedge in the unified defense agenda.
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Old 12-01-2022, 11:28 AM   #9273
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Sure, I get that a diverse alliance will have countries that have different priorities. When it comes to the territorial integrity of members, they do promote a united stance on that. I am surprised that would even be in question. The whole point of the alliance is to ensure that every inch of territory among its members is secure, so having a head of state openly promote irredentism against four other NATO members and a country currently partnered with NATO certainly puts a wedge in the unified defense agenda.
I think it is you who misunderstands NATO, or have been wrapped up in this view that it constitutes a US led policy hegemony. It doesn't at all. It is extremely limited in scope. What NATO member was Orban promoting irredentism against? You mention 4. Ukraine is not a NATO member, maybe never will be, so any action taken against or in spite of Ukraine has no bearing at all on the terms of NATO.
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Apparently Putin fell in one of his homes and #### himself, I don't have any great source for this but I think it's hilarious and I hope it's true
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Please expand on the#### every little # is a morale boost.
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If the New York Post (among other sources) on Twitter is to be believed, he fell down the stairs and shat himself.
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If the New York Post (among other sources) on Twitter is to be believed, he fell down the stairs and shat himself.
A suiting metaphor to his invasion of Ukraine.
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Moldova has asked Russia to GTFO of Transnistria

https://twitter.com/user/status/1598602958626750467


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BBC reporting Putin's demanded pre-requisite for ceasefire talks is international recognition of all annexed parts of Ukraine. i.e. give us everything we want with no consequences. Anyone still thinking negotiations or a compromise are possible with Putin still in power is deluded. Pound sand Putin.

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Apparently Putin fell in one of his homes and #### himself, I don't have any great source for this but I think it's hilarious and I hope it's true
Did he fall on his Donbass?
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