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Old 11-21-2022, 09:13 PM   #4101
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Guess I'm never buying a Mercedes...



But man they soak you for everything!

https://shop.mbusa.com/en-us/connect/

$35 a year for remote start!
I can understand charging for a service that requires them to have some kind of infrastructure in place for you to be able to use it, but I’d never pay for anything that’s already built in and doesn’t cost them a thing to “upgrade”.
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Old 11-22-2022, 08:45 AM   #4102
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BMW has been doing this already as well, monthly fee to unlock heated seats etc.

Greedy bastards.
this actually never rolled out to North America and now apparently never will. It would be interesting to see which country this photo is from
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Old 11-22-2022, 09:30 AM   #4103
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I included the link, that's the US site.
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I can understand charging for a service that requires them to have some kind of infrastructure in place for you to be able to use it, but I’d never pay for anything that’s already built in and doesn’t cost them a thing to “upgrade”.
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Old 11-22-2022, 09:38 AM   #4105
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So do you still have to pay more for the potential for the faster car upfront? like Do I have to pay 10K more for the AMG variant and then also have to pay 1300 a year for the ability to use that power?

If you're avoiding the upfront costs, it probably makes sense, especially since I'll get a lot of these cars are leased anyway.
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Old 11-22-2022, 11:24 AM   #4106
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this actually never rolled out to North America and now apparently never will. It would be interesting to see which country this photo is from
Oh it will. They're just tossing the potato around to see who's going to be first. Once one of them decides to just eat the outrage and take the money, the rest will quickly follow.
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Old 11-22-2022, 12:51 PM   #4107
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First piano black everything, capacitive buttons (if you even GET buttons), now this.

When I was young I always wondered how someone became an old man that yells at everything.

Now I think I know.
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Old 11-22-2022, 01:29 PM   #4108
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Why. Why must one of the only pure joyous pursuits in the world be perverted at every turn.
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Old 11-22-2022, 01:32 PM   #4109
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They're fataing up everything so bad.

For a good 30 years there hardly a new model came out that I didn't like more than the previous. Now they just keep making everything lamer and lamer.
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There was a dark age from the early 70s until the mid 90s. We were due for a decline considering the last 25 years were overall pretty great.
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Old 11-22-2022, 03:04 PM   #4111
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There was a dark age from the early 70s until the mid 90s. We were due for a decline considering the last 25 years were overall pretty great.
What do you mean? The late 80/90's was arguably the greatest era for cars.
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They're fataing up everything so bad.

For a good 30 years there hardly a new model came out that I didn't like more than the previous. Now they just keep making everything lamer and lamer.
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There was a dark age from the early 70s until the mid 90s. We were due for a decline considering the last 25 years were overall pretty great.
You guys are right - there was an excellent run, where we hit the sweet spot of design, power, creature comforts and regulations.

It's hard to say if that's over though... Things are definitely changing, but I don't think it's universally worse.

Regardless, the great thing about cars is that you can still go and buy something from years ago if it better suits your tastes and needs... Year after year, there's more variety for everyone.
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Mmm, careful with that assumption. What was once plentiful has been all but eliminated through programs that incentivized destroying vehicles in the name of the environment which was little more than a front banks financing new loans.

Sure, the 70/80s American cars get a bad rap, and DOT requirements ruined a lot of otherwise pretty cars. But…

For nearly a decade the Gbody Cutlass was americas top selling car, and arguably one of the most understatedly stylish cars of the last 50 years. Buick, in full luxury, had the fastest production car in the world on the same platform. GMs hottest Sonoma beat out a 348 Ferrari and was faster than any muscle car from the 60s.

Ford introduced the Foxbody, one of the most venerable platforms for car guys that’s ver existed. 2.3, a lame six, the 5.0L and a turbocharged 2.3 available across the platform. An 80s F150 with an inline 6 and 5 speed is about as realizable as you can get, and while a 2016 is down for year waiting for parts, a 40 year old machine is still humming along.

Dodge had the Omni, from grandmas car to the GHS, a forced induction rocket ship. And well, it’s Dodge so just not collapsing was a pretty big deal. But Sprint RT was dope.

73-96 was awesome. For as fast and fancy as cars are today, id still prefer anything from that era.
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Mmm, careful with that assumption. What was once plentiful has been all but eliminated through programs that incentivized destroying vehicles in the name of the environment which was little more than a front banks financing new loans.

Sure, the 70/80s American cars get a bad rap, and DOT requirements ruined a lot of otherwise pretty cars. But…

For nearly a decade the Gbody Cutlass was americas top selling car, and arguably one of the most understatedly stylish cars of the last 50 years. Buick, in full luxury, had the fastest production car in the world on the same platform. GMs hottest Sonoma beat out a 348 Ferrari and was faster than any muscle car from the 60s.

Ford introduced the Foxbody, one of the most venerable platforms for car guys that’s ver existed. 2.3, a lame six, the 5.0L and a turbocharged 2.3 available across the platform. An 80s F150 with an inline 6 and 5 speed is about as realizable as you can get, and while a 2016 is down for year waiting for parts, a 40 year old machine is still humming along.

Dodge had the Omni, from grandmas car to the GHS, a forced induction rocket ship. And well, it’s Dodge so just not collapsing was a pretty big deal. But Sprint RT was dope.

73-96 was awesome. For as fast and fancy as cars are today, id still prefer anything from that era.


Seriously asking...why did the US suddenly forget to make good cars?
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Seriously asking...why did the US suddenly forget to make good cars?
That is one seriously under-rated film!
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Bit of a review of the Rivian Amazon van. Looks pretty fancy, they would make great camper conversion vans.
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Have I told you urban SUV buyers that you suck lately?

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I still think the Ford Mustang Mach-E should have simply been the 'Ford Mach-E'. But this is a whole new level of stupid.
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I kinda want to see what a 4 door Corvette would be like!
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Old 11-29-2022, 08:25 PM   #4120
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I kinda want to see what a 4 door Corvette would be like!
There was a C7 shooting brake concept that I actually liked. Four doors could be cool but does everything have to be an SUV?
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