2021 NFL off season thread

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by brocoli

So I've been a Packers fan my entire life, but these past few seasons I've really started to see how Rogers is a diva. Do I want him gone, hell no! He's one of the best QBs of all time, but eventually the time will come where he no longer there. If it's now, then it's now. Let him go to SF. Get a hell of a return and go after Watson. Or Rogers will say all of this now and you'll see a WR drafted this year with help in the secondary to continue to work on the D.

Yeah he seems like a bit of a wet blanket but there's 0.0000000000000001% that Love turns out even half as good as Rogers and the Packers can take a look at the Patriots for what happens when a winning franchise loses its HOF starting QB. Enjoy him until he's gone as it's probably downhill from there.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Speaking of the Packers, are they the most disappointing good franchise in the NFL the past 25-30 years? For that entire time they have had a top 10 all-time QB and only have two Super Bowls. Eli has two Super Bowls. The Ravens won two Super Bowls with Dilfer and Flacco. Feels like the Packers should have won more than they have, and to only even make three Super Bowls in that time is pretty poor.

[troutman]

The Flames of the early 90s should have won more Cups too.

[ResAlien]

I’d give that distinction to Manning’s Colts. He should have had a handful of titles there.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Speaking of the Packers, are they the most disappointing good franchise in the NFL the past 25-30 years? For that entire time they have had a top 10 all-time QB and only have two Super Bowls. Eli has two Super Bowls. The Ravens won two Super Bowls with Dilfer and Flacco. Feels like the Packers should have won more than they have, and to only even make three Super Bowls in that time is pretty poor.

They sure could have use some secondary help in that NFC championship game

Maybe they shouldn’t have drafted a RB and QB in the first 2 rounds

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

They sure could have use some secondary help in that NFC championship game

Maybe they shouldn’t have drafted a RB and QB in the first 2 rounds

There is no defending the drafting of Love. Dillon was a fine choice in the 2nd rd.

But

They gave up fewer yards through the air than the Bucs...and had 3 INT's.

Their issue is one player that, for some reason, they think can play man coverage with but he continually gets burned and also may be the worst tackler in the game. Been that way for 2 years.

Rodgers will be back...no other team is as good as GB that he can move to. I mean they were 2 mistakes away from the SB.

[Sainters7]

Originally Posted by troutman

The Flames of the early 90s should have won more Cups too.

Or at least won a round here & there. The first playoffs I vividly recall was 1991..suffering through 3 game 7 OT losses my first 5 years as a fan - with 0 series wins - while simultaneously watching alltime dominant Stamps teams choking in the West Final, has left me as quite the defeatist going into every playoff season.

That said, me coming of age as a sports fan with early 90s Calgary teams prepped me quite well for these last few Saints playoff adventures...

[cross16]

Originally Posted by transplant99

There is no defending the drafting of Love. Dillon was a fine choice in the 2nd rd.

But

They gave up fewer yards through the air than the Bucs...and had 3 INT's.

Their issue is one player that, for some reason, they think can play man coverage with but he continually gets burned and also may be the worst tackler in the game. Been that way for 2 years.

Rodgers will be back...no other team is as good as GB that he can move to. I mean they were 2 mistakes away from the SB.

One of the other frustrating aspects of Sunday is the drafting of Dillon was almost tailored made for that game. Cold, January football in Lambeau and you have a 200lbs plus RB that can run you over or go around you. There should have been a steady diet of Dillon but Lafleur went away from the Run.

I think Dillon is going to wind up being excellent value in the 2nd round. Has a chance to breakout in a huge way next year and in hindsight I bet Lafleur wishes he would have used him more but he did miss almost a month with COVID.

[dirk diggler]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

I’d give that distinction to Manning’s Colts. He should have had a handful of titles there.

Even then they got lucky and faced one of the worst super bowl Qb's in Rex Grossman. I would agree, those Colt teams and GB teams should have won more.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by dirk diggler

Even then they got lucky and faced one of the worst super bowl Qb's in Rex Grossman. I would agree, those Colt teams and GB teams should have won more.

Rex has won as many NFC Championship games as Aaron.

[dirk diggler]

Originally Posted by troutman

Rex has won as many NFC Championship games as Aaron.

that is crazy when you think about it.

[browna]

Seahawks hiring the highly coveted (lol) Shane Waldron as their OC.
Was the passing game coordinator with the Rams and came with McVey from the Redskins.

He’s never called plays in his NFL career.

As I’ve droned on about, Russell Wilson wants to run the offence after the taste he got doing so this year to great results, then terrible ones (also today, DK Metcalf talked about how other teams figured them out midway through the season, (as I have mentioned) and the offence didn’t react quickly enough). The experienced coaches they interviewed in the first round all bowed out quickly when they heard the plan that Wilson wanted to de facto run things...Gase, Pederson were there and gone.

So, Wilson has his wish. He has got a totally green guy there with no play calling experience, so a guy he who he’s able to control, a guy who is not going to push back much on any play design or play calling, and is paid to hold Wilson’s play sheet and wear the headset.

Also, could be another signal the Rams are done with Goff.

[devo22]

Los Angeles Rams general manager Les Snead on Tuesday echoed coach Sean McVay when it comes to the future of quarterback Jared Goff.

"Jared Goff is a Ram at this moment," Snead said when asked whether Goff would be on the roster in 2021. "It's way too early to speculate the future. That's a beautiful mystery."

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...-qb-jared-goff

hell of a vote of confidence lol. What's the over/under for teams with a new starting QB this year? Seems like a remarkable number of teams have a cloud of uncertainty at the position right now. Could be a lot of movement this offseason.

[troutman]

Husband: Do you still love me?
Wife: That's a beautiful mystery.

[Senator Clay Davis]

The Rams royally ####ed up the Goff situation. He'd be a UFA right now if they didn't extend him and they'd be able to walk away clean. I'm sure they'd love to move on, but more than likely he's on the roster next year unless someone bails them out with a trade. Their cap situation is rough so they're probably drafting a QB this year instead of getting in on the offseason market, so Goff might be the highest paid backup of all-time next year.

[darockwilder]

Originally Posted by transplant99

There is no defending the drafting of Love. Dillon was a fine choice in the 2nd rd.

But

They gave up fewer yards through the air than the Bucs...and had 3 INT's.

Their issue is one player that, for some reason, they think can play man coverage with but he continually gets burned and also may be the worst tackler in the game. Been that way for 2 years.

Rodgers will be back...no other team is as good as GB that he can move to. I mean they were 2 mistakes away from the SB.

I am so sick of the Packers sticking with defensive coordinators well past their best before date who demonstrably suck. They did it with Capers and are doing it again with Pettine. So frustrating. They got burned on so many third downs that game too. My only fear was facing Brady in the playoffs, and I guess it was confirmed.

[Senator Clay Davis]

I'm not defending Pettine here, but the Packers offense did produce two drives for a total -5 yards after the last two Brady picks. And that was with Tampa missing both starting safeties. Even if the Packers squeezed through they probably get crushed by the Chiefs, but the defense did enough to give the Packers a chance.

[ResAlien]

Seattle Seahawks scumbag Chad Wheeler tried to kill his girlfriend and really beat the hell out of her. Nothing being reported though so it’s likely since he’s not high profile like Ray rice or Kareem hunt that’s why it’s being ignored by media. Pictures are brutal, will skip posting them.

[cross16]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

I'm not defending Pettine here, but the Packers offense did produce two drives for a total -5 yards after the last two Brady picks. And that was with Tampa missing both starting safeties. Even if the Packers squeezed through they probably get crushed by the Chiefs, but the defense did enough to give the Packers a chance.

This is somewhat fair, unlike previous championship games the D didn't cost the Packers the game. This one was a total team loss where everyone, offense, ST, D, coaching all contributed.

But I still don't think they were near good enough. Gave up 21 in the first half and while they did get the 3 INTs I think 2 were basically punts by Brady. Offense for sure should have done more with it and Lafleur getting away from their formula, and Rodgers missing MVS, played a big part. Ultimately though you need much, much better play from your defense in a championship game.

I thin it's all but a certainty Pettine will be let go and hopefully Lafleur can continue to hire good coaches but at this point it feels like someone in the Packers is going to have to sell their soul to be able to field a championship caliber D unit.

[dirk diggler]

Originally Posted by darockwilder

I am so sick of the Packers sticking with defensive coordinators well past their best before date who demonstrably suck. They did it with Capers and are doing it again with Pettine. So frustrating. They got burned on so many third downs that game too. My only fear was facing Brady in the playoffs, and I guess it was confirmed.

Agreed, I would shake my head every year when the announcers would talk about the Dom Capers defense, the defense that had some good players but could never get off the field. I thought they weren't as bad in the TB game, notwithstanding Kevin King letting Moore get behind him before half. Rodgers NFC championship game record is bad but its certainly not all on him.