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Snuffleupagus · 10-13-2021, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Bonded

Gaudreau is waiting for Eichel. He will sign the Taylor Hall deal if they Eichel lol

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blankall · 10-13-2021, 03:03 PM

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If Gaudreau liked playing with Monny, he’s going to love playing with a center like Eichel too.
I think at this point in Johnny’s career, he must know that the reality of playing with the same center for his whole career is not likely. And I would like to think that he is enough of a pro to not pout about it

Gaudreau clearly develops loyalty with his linemates. There's a reason this organization signed both Buddy Robinson and Bill Arnold. I don't see that as a negative for Gaudreau though.

Overall, it appears that Gaudreau is responding very well to Sutter's direction. If Gaudreau leaves the Flames, it will have nothing to do with playing with Monahan and everything to do with him always having planned to return to his own hometown.

In other words, I can't see moving Monahan as being the straw the broke the camel's back here.

SportsJunky · 10-19-2021, 09:09 AM

Eric Francis was just on NHL Network Radio. He still believes that Gaudreau won't sign in Calgary and owes it to himself to see what offers are out there from other teams.

He did acknowledge that since last season, Johnny got married, his wife has moved to Calgary and they seem happy living in Calgary.

GioforPM · 10-19-2021, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by blankall

Gaudreau clearly develops loyalty with his linemates. There's a reason this organization signed both Buddy Robinson and Bill Arnold. I don't see that as a negative for Gaudreau though.

Overall, it appears that Gaudreau is responding very well to Sutter's direction. If Gaudreau leaves the Flames, it will have nothing to do with playing with Monahan and everything to do with him always having planned to return to his own hometown.

In other words, I can't see moving Monahan as being the straw the broke the camel's back here.

FWIW, Arnold was drafted in 2010 by Calgary.

Flamesfan05 · 10-19-2021, 11:09 AM

Johnny looked completely different against the Oilers vs the Ducks
He is a great talent but not a big game player. Probably due to his size.

Best to trade him but I am afraid that time has passed. We are now screwed if we sign him or not sign him.

Bingo · 10-19-2021, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Johnny looked completely different against the Oilers vs the Ducks
He is a great talent but not a big game player. Probably due to his size.

Best to trade him but I am afraid that time has passed. We are now screwed if we sign him or not sign him.

Fun world you live in!

GreenLantern2814 · 10-19-2021, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Johnny looked completely different against the Oilers vs the Ducks
He is a great talent but not a big game player. Probably due to his size.

Best to trade him but I am afraid that time has passed. We are now screwed if we sign him or not sign him.

The only problem with Johnny is he’s our only weapon.

Take him out, and we have no answer. And at 5 ft 8 160lb, he can’t just impose his will on the game like Iggy.

It’s classic Calgary Flames to have a player like Johnny, give him a bunch of 2nd line players to work with, and then get pissy and blame HIM for it not working out.

They spend $80M every year and have one first line forward.

Somewhere in that $80M there has to be room to spend on second one.

Preferably one who doesn’t play wing.

Vinny01 · 10-19-2021, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

The only problem with Johnny is he’s our only weapon.

Take him out, and we have no answer. And at 5 ft 8 160lb, he can’t just impose his will on the game like Iggy.

It’s classic Calgary Flames to have a player like Johnny, give him a bunch of 2nd line players to work with, and then get pissy and blame HIM for it not working out.

They spend $80M every year and have one first line forward.

Somewhere in that $80M there has to be room to spend on second one.

Preferably one who doesn’t play wing.

Lindholm and Tkachuk are better than the 2nd line players Johnny gets to work with.

Vinny01 · 10-19-2021, 01:50 PM

Interesting Friedman mentions in his 32 thoughts column he is surprised Gaudreau didn’t get a letter.

Does Elliott think he should get a letter over Tanev? Should have they stripped one of Monahan, Tkachuk, or Backlund to ensure Johnny got an A?

dissentowner · 10-19-2021, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Vinny01

Interesting Friedman mentions in his 32 thoughts column he is surprised Gaudreau didn’t get a letter.

Does Elliott think he should get a letter over Tanev? Should have they stripped one of Monahan, Tkachuk, or Backlund to ensure Johnny got an A?

I don't see exactly what leadership qualities Monahan brings nor Backlund.

chedder · 10-19-2021, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Johnny looked completely different against the Oilers vs the Ducks
He is a great talent but not a big game player. Probably due to his size.

Best to trade him but I am afraid that time has passed. We are now screwed if we sign him or not sign him.

We're not screwed if we sign him to a fair for all parties deal. I don't know what that is. 8X8? We are somewhat screwed if we don't re-sign him as we won't be getting much, maybe a late first and a mediocre roster player at the trade deadline.

GranteedEV · 10-19-2021, 02:08 PM

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We're not screwed if we sign him to a fair for all parties deal. I don't know what that is. 8X8? We are somewhat screwed if we don't re-sign him as we won't be getting much, maybe a late first and a mediocre roster player at the trade deadline.

8 year term at his age would be a mistake.

Should have signed him to an eight year term last time, but Tre botched that contract big time.

GreenLantern2814 · 10-19-2021, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Vinny01

Lindholm and Tkachuk are better than the 2nd line players Johnny gets to work with.

Not on teams that are any good.

Lindholm is a #2C.

Tkachuk is a left winger playing out of position because he’s nowhere close to the best LW on his own team, and his team’s roster construction sucks.

It’s so bad, in fact, that the guy centering Tkachuk and Gaudreau WAS the old RW on the top line for 18 months.

agulati · 10-19-2021, 02:33 PM

Gaudreau has never worn a letter or rumored to be one of the possibilities. Friedman being surprised, is just to bring more “ around the NHL”points to his blog.

GranteedEV · 10-19-2021, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Not on teams that are any good.

Lindholm is a #2C.

Tkachuk is a left winger playing out of position because he’s nowhere close to the best LW on his own team, and his team’s roster construction sucks. .

Tkachuk would be the best LHS LW on a lot of good teams in the league, though. And he's perfectly competent at RW, despite that being his offwing.

Tkachuk-Matthews-Marner?
Guentzal-Crosby-Tkachuk?
Ovechkin-Backstrom-Tkachuk?
Tkachuk-Point-Kucherov?
Tkachuk-MacKinnon-Rantanen?
Tkachuk-McDavid-Puljujarvi?
Tkachuk-Eichel-Mangiapane?

Tell me any of those lines wouldn't be an improvement on that team's current top line. Gaudreau is just really damn good among LWers, but Tkachuk is not a second liner by any means.

Just seems like a strange criticism. Lindholm is the one guy slotted too high, much like the Craig Conroy or Daymond Langkow types of the past.

blankall · 10-19-2021, 02:40 PM

Both Lindholm and Gaudreau are PPG and have a combined +1. They aren't the problem. The problem is simply that the team didn't contain McDavid and hasn't capitalized on chance collectively.

It's only been 2 games, but if Monahan, Mangiapane, Tkachuk, etc.. can find a way to increase their own scoring rate from 0-.5PPG to career averages, the Flames will win games.

Sutter's game plan seems based around depth, with Gaudreau in the high scoring chances. It's a good plan.

agulati · 10-19-2021, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Just seems like a strange criticism. Lindholm is the one guy slotted too high, much like the Craig Conroy or Daymond Langkow types of the past.

From 2018 till now,
Johnny Gaudreau is 16th overall in scoring (4th among LW)
Matthew Tkachuk is 30th overall (7th among LW)
Elias Lindholm is 31st overall (17th among centers)

Now even if you want to remove the 2018-19 season as a fluke, From 2019-20
Johnny Gaudreau is 19th overall (8th among LW)
Matthew Tkachuk is 36th overall (9th among LW)
Elias Lindholm is 40th overall (20th among centers)

GranteedEV · 10-19-2021, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by agulati

From 2018 till now,
Johnny Gaudreau is 16th overall in scoring (4th among LW)
Matthew Tkachuk is 30th overall (7th among LW)
Elias Lindholm is 31st overall (17th among centers)

Now even if you want to remove the 2018-19 season as a fluke, From 2019-20
Johnny Gaudreau is 19th overall (8th among LW)
Matthew Tkachuk is 36th overall (9th among LW)
Elias Lindholm is 40th overall (20th among centers)

I am aware that Lindholm is productive thanks to the quality of his wingers. However he is a downgrade on just about every #1 center on consistent playoff teams due to his inability to drive a line and drive transition.

SuperMatt18 · 10-19-2021, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by GranteedEV

8 year term at his age would be a mistake.

Should have signed him to an eight year term last time, but Tre botched that contract big time.

I don't think you can call signing Gaudreau for 6 years at $6.75M at the time botching the contract, it's been a great contract for the team.

6-7 years were what the RFAs that off-season signed. I don't think a single RFA that year signed for 8.

Tkachuk RFA...that was botched.

GreenLantern2814 · 10-19-2021, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Tkachuk would be the best LHS LW on a lot of good teams in the league, though. And he's perfectly competent at RW, despite that being his offwing.

Tkachuk-Matthews-Marner?
Guentzal-Crosby-Tkachuk?
Ovechkin-Backstrom-Tkachuk?
Tkachuk-Point-Kucherov?
Tkachuk-MacKinnon-Rantanen?
Tkachuk-McDavid-Puljujarvi?
Tkachuk-Eichel-Mangiapane?

Tell me any of those lines wouldn't be an improvement on that team's current top line. Gaudreau is just really damn good among LWers, but Tkachuk is not a second liner by any means.

Just seems like a strange criticism. Lindholm is the one guy slotted too high, much like the Craig Conroy or Daymond Langkow types of the past.

Fair enough on Tkachuk. He’s a 1st line talent.

It just sucks that our two most talented forwards play the least valuable position on the ice.