Ongoing Residential Schools Tragedy Discussion

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Reaper

If the Catholic Church was threatened with losing their tax exempt status due to welching on a court ordered settlement they would have the remaining $21Million by the end of the week. Either a show would be made about famous Catholics donating to cover the cost or they'd deliver the money while wearing rags crying about persecution and it would be back to business as usual.

Look...fundamentally I agree. Except its an empty threat and we all know it, worse, they know it.

The Catholic Church's day-to-day existence is effectively negotiating against Ken Holland with Evil Chiarelli on his shoulder.

They've got the upper hand. They know it. You cant bully them into anything.

I'd love nothing more than to start stripping Tax-Exempt status...but its just never going to happen. Any Politician that ever tried would be crucified (<-thats Catholic humour for ya!) and the job still wouldnt get done.

We are talking about an organization, and I dont mean to demean or lambaste rank-and-file Catholics here, I am talking about the Organization at its core, has committed and/or been party-to, some of the worst atrocities known to mankind....and skated by as though they've done nothing.

They make 'Teflon Don' Trump look like a Rank Amateur.

This time will be no different.

We want to fix this...but there is no sense looking to Rome.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Locke

Look...fundamentally I agree. Except its an empty threat and we all know it, worse, they know it.

The Catholic Church's day-to-day existence is effectively negotiating against Ken Holland with Evil Chiarelli on his shoulder.

They've got the upper hand. They know it. You cant bully them into anything.

I'd love nothing more than to start stripping Tax-Exempt status...but its just never going to happen. Any Politician that ever tried would be crucified (<-thats Catholic humour for ya!) and the job still wouldnt get done.

We are talking about an organization, and I dont mean to demean or lambaste rank-and-file Catholics here, I am talking about the Organization at its core, has committed and/or been party-to, some of the worst atrocities known to mankind....and skated by as though they've done nothing.

They make 'Teflon Don' Trump look like a Rank Amateur.

This time will be no different.

We want to fix this...but there is no sense looking to Rome.

I understand many Catholics want this issue to be addressed. Can they not initiate action against their own church? Someone needs to step up and do something.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by edslunch

I understand many Catholics want this issue to be addressed. Can they not initiate action against their own church? Someone needs to step up and do something.

Its late, so I'll make this quick.

1. Action against their own Church?

- Been tried for centuries. Look at all the change its wrought. The people who matter are so insulated they dont care.

Why do you think they have their own little Country in the middle of one of the World's most celebrated Cities? Because they can. And it means they dont have to listen to anybody. Pure insulation.

2. Someone needs to step up and do something.

- I meant it when I said I harbour no ill-will against Catholics. The vast majority of them are wonderful people who genuinely want to do good.

The pavement of the road to Hell and all that.

But, within the context of Residential Schools (and other initiatives over history) where were the Good People when it was time to stand and be counted?

Simple. They got steamrolled by the system to which they were beholden.

Its not their fault. The system was designed that way.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Locke

Its late, so I'll make this quick.

1. Action against their own Church?

- Been tried for centuries. Look at all the change its wrought. The people who matter are so insulated they dont care.

Why do you think they have their own little Country in the middle of one of the World's most celebrated Cities? Because they can. And it means they dont have to listen to anybody. Pure insulation.

2. Someone needs to step up and do something.

- I meant it when I said I harbour no ill-will against Catholics. The vast majority of them are wonderful people who genuinely want to do good.

The pavement of the road to Hell and all that.

But, within the context of Residential Schools (and other initiatives over history) where were the Good People when it was time to stand and be counted?

Simple. They got steamrolled by the system to which they were beholden.

Its not their fault. The system was designed that way.

Well if individual Catholics can’t or won’t do anything, and each diocese is an independent entity, then we need an action that targets all Canadian Catholics and dioceses such as changing tax exempt status or pulling school funding. Then let them figure out how to address this issue themselves and if they don’t then F them. But of course Catholics are voters so....That leaves divine retribution I guess....is Hell still part of their belief system or are they just paving a path to nowhere?

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Locke

Getting Cash out of the Church is like getting a gourmet 5-course meal from a hobo.

Not gonna happen.

Henry the Eighth begs to disagree

[sureLoss]

Ryerson University will be renamed

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/202...e-renamed.html

Ryerson will officially be renamed, the university confirmed in a statement on Wednesday.

The university’s board of governors approved 22 recommendations laid out by the Standing Strong Task Force. The university said recommendations were informed by the participation of more than 11,000 Ryerson community members.

“The report provides clear recommendations on how the university can move forward and write the next chapter in our history,” Mohamed Lachemi, president and vice-chancellor of the university, said in a statement.

One of the recommendations was to rename the school.

The debate over the renaming of the university intensified after the statue of Egerton Ryerson, one of the architects of Canada’s residential school system, was toppled and beheaded by protestors at a rally to honour the hundreds of children whose remains were discovered at a former residential school site in Kamloops, B.C.

In the past year, as an internal rift over changing the school’s name spilled out into the public, the university lost opportunities with would-be donors while managing complaints from current donors, some of whom threatened to withhold their gifts to the university depending on how it responded to public pressure.

[CroFlames]

Good.

No indication of what they will name it. Hopefully not after another politician.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Good.

No indication of what they will name it. Hopefully not after another politician.

"The Locke School of Forestry."

[FlamesAddiction]

The should rename it Bryce University after Dr. Peter Bryce who was one of the earliest advocates against residential schools in the 1920s.

After reporting the conditions, they forced him into retirement and he published them on his own accord.

This way, they still get to name it after an Ontario whitey with academic credentials. And we know they love naming stuff after whities.

[Slava]

We should just stop naming things after people. There are millions of things that we can use for naming, and it will just make things easier in the future.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Slava

We should just stop naming things after people. There are millions of things that we can use for naming, and it will just make things easier in the future.

Go Soviet!

Calgary School #13.

Its all about the numbers.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Locke

Go Soviet!



Calgary School #13.



Its all about the numbers.

Or an unpronounceable symbol along with "the university formerly known as Ryerson".

[Iceman90]

Originally Posted by Slava

We should just stop naming things after people. There are millions of things that we can use for naming, and it will just make things easier in the future.

• WestJet Elementary School
• The School Near The Big Maple Tree
• The Big Blue School on Elbow Drive
• Red Roof High School

[Mathgod]

More graves found, this time in Saskatchewan https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saska...tion-1.6353015

[redforever]

My sister and I went to Rosebud for the afternoon performance of New Blood. “New Blood is a show that is about Chief Vincent Yellow Old Woman, he is a former chief of Siksika Nation. It’s his story of growing up in a residential school and then struggling with addiction, and then healing and becoming chief of his people,”

The Chief had shared his personal story and a poem with the teacher from Strathmore, called The Indian and the Child. That poem is what the story and show is based on.

The performers were from Strathmore High School as well as first and second year students at Rosebud's School for the Performing Arts. Those from Strathmore High School were Indigenous and represented their parents or grandparents. The grandson of Chief Vincent Yellow Old Woman was one of the performers. Those from Rosebud represented the spirit animals of the Indigenous performers.

The show covered the traditional way of the Blackfoot Nation, then the fur trader times, small pox, residential schools, alcohol and other addictions, finding of graves, and then finally reconciliation.

I don't know when I have been moved more by any performance. It was outstanding. After the show, you could stay and ask questions or give comments. Chief Vincent Yellow Old Woman was in attendance and he spoke...truly an outstanding gentle gentleman. One very poignant moment during this discussion session was when a young man from the audience related his experience. He said he was from a long line of alcoholics in his family and he struggled with that same affliction. He was very emotional when he thanked the teacher and cast for an outstanding performance and for giving him new hope that he could break the cycle in his family.

This show should be seen by every student in Canada.

The show is only this weekend and not many tickets are left for the Sunday matinee. If you have some time and can make it, try to attend...truly outstanding story line and performance. A longer description can be found at the link below.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...ebud-1.6391228

[CaptainCrunch]

Thought I'd bump this thread, as the Pope is in Canada and made his apology today.

https://globalnews.ca/news/9013013/p...-canada-day-2/

Tears streamed down the faces of Indigenous elders and survivors of residential schools as Pope Francis stood before them and begged forgiveness for the “deplorable evil” committed by the Roman Catholic Church.
Francis, at his first public appearance in Canada in Maskwacis, Alta., said he was sorry the church took part in the cultural destruction and forced assimilation of Indigenous people.
“In the face of this deplorable evil, the church kneels before God and implores his forgiveness for the sins of her children. I humbly beg forgiveness for the evil committed by so many Christians against the Indigenous Peoples,” Francis said Monday through a translator at the community’s powwow grounds.

Others sat in contemplation with their eyes closed when the pontiff said the actions of the church were a “disastrous error incompatible with the gospel of Jesus Christ.”
Francis asked for forgiveness, in particular, for “the ways in which many members of the church and of religious communities co-operated, not least through their indifference, in projects of cultural destruction and forced assimilation promoted by the governments of that time, which culminated in the system of residential schools.”

He said begging forgiveness is the first step and there must be a serious investigation into what took place. He also called the overall effects of the policies linked to residential schools “catastrophic.”

Following his apology, Francis returned a pair of moccasins to Marie-Anne Day Walker-Pelletier, a retired chief of Okanese First Nation in Saskatchewan.
She had given the children’s moccasins to the Pope when an Indigenous delegation visited Rome earlier this year.
They were meant to represent children who never came home from residential schools and she had told the pontiff she expected him to return them when he came to apologize on Canadian soil.

Its a start, but in a journey of a thousand steps, this isn't even 10% of the way to where things need to go.

Beyond things like returning artifacts, there needs to be some significant compensation for the victims. And an act of public reconciliation action by the church.

[Fuzz]

What are the odds this " serious investigation" is carried out by anyone but the church itself? It's not serious if they do it.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

It’s not as if the church’s role was an aberration or a one-off. This was part of the plan for the new world, carried out over centuries. It wasn’t some rogue individuals wreaking havoc. It wasn’t a bug in the system. It was a feature. Conversion and cultural annihilation.

Oops, our bad, shouldn’t cut it. EAD.

[Fuzz]

I'm surprised it isn't full, looks like lots of empty seats.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I'm surprised it isn't full, looks like lots of empty seats.

I'm surprised it is so full....