Acts of Terrorism in Edmonton: Officer stabbed, pedestrians run down

[Crumpy-Gunt]

Originally Posted by DiracSpike

A group that's called the Islamic State isn't Islamic? OK.

I believe your intentions are to protect the vast majority of Muslims who aren't extremists from being painted as such, but being delusional isn't all that helpful.

I think most people in society can handle the nuance that a small minority of Muslims interpret their religion in a violent way but it's not representative of the population as a whole. Not all Muslims are IS members but all IS members are Muslims.

Are you kidding? How can you claim isis is islamic. Then say right after that they have a violent interpretation of the religion. Its either they are islamic..or they arent islamic. If you think isis are the embodiment of islamic principles, come out and say that. Dont keep repeating the same stupid bs. "They are called the islamic state" are you telling me they arent islamic?

The federal reserve is called the federal reserve. It isnt federally owned nor is it a reserve of any kind. Welcome to the world. The nazis were given a blessing by the catholic church. Was nazism christian? They wore belts that said god is on our side.

If they, isis, are islamic...they have the correct interpretation of their religion...then you are saying 99.9 percent of muslims are wrong and isis is islamic. Well so is nail yakupov. Why hasnt he terrorized the nhl? Same with nazim kadri.



Someone with a violent interpretation of something isnt representative of anything.

By calling isis islamic you are giving them legitimacy.

Obama who may have known a bit more than you do on this topic said


"We are not at war with Islam. We are at war with people who have perverted Islam ... They try to portray themselves as religious leaders, holy warriors in defense of Islam. We must never accept the premise that they put forward because it is a lie. Nor should we grant these terrorists the religious legitimacy that they seek. They are not religious leaders. They are terrorists."

Saying isis is islam shows someone doesnt know their terminology. Saying isis is islamic shows someone doesnt know much about isis or islamic values and principles.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by Crumpy-Gunt

Are you kidding? How can you claim isis is islamic. Then say right after that they have a violent interpretation of the religion.

If they are islamic...they have the correct interpretation of their religion.

Someone with a violent interpretation of something isnt representative of anything.

By calling isis islamic you are giving them legitimacy.

Obama who may have known a bit more than you do on this topic said


"We are not at war with Islam. We are at war with people who have perverted Islam ... They try to portray themselves as religious leaders, holy warriors in defense of Islam. We must never accept the premise that they put forward because it is a lie. Nor should we grant these terrorists the religious legitimacy that they seek. They are not religious leaders. They are terrorists."

Saying isis is islam shows someone doesnt know their terminology. Saying isis is islamic shows someone doesnt know much about isis or islamic values and principles.

Where your thought experiment fails is that ISIS is living a version of Islam that is perfectly on par with whats written in the Quran and the way that Muhammad lived his life and is described in various Hadiths.

[Crumpy-Gunt]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

Where your thought experiment fails is that ISIS is living a version of Islam that is perfectly on par with whats written in the Quran and the way that Muhammad lived his life and is described in various Hadiths.

Great. There we go. Weve just given a terrorist group not only religious legitimacy but exclusive religious legitimacy. Meaning isis and wahhabi extremist muslims are the only correct followers of islam according to the quran and hadith. Thanks for the lesson. You clearly know more than any muslim religious scholars, almost all of whom have condemned isis with the harshest wording possible.

People like you must be too small minded to see that this is the opposite of what we should do.

Also if thats what you believe, no wonder you are a #### scared alarmist who lives in perpetual fear of muslims and terrorism.

I can tell you as an arabic speaking person whos lived in Muslim countries. You are wrong. Isis isnt perfectly on par with islam. If it was...all muslims would be wahhabi isis members.

You know there are devout muslims who give their lives every day fighting isis right? What you are saying to them is that they arent the real muslims. The terrorists are the real muslims.

And howcome none of you want to touch on the mixing of politics with religion? Why are we putting horse blinders on when it comes to the lack of secularism in the middle east. The presence of fossil fuels. The nearly 100 years of western meddling. Surely these have contributed to this extremist political movement of so called muslims.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

Where your thought experiment fails is that ISIS is living a version of Islam that is perfectly on par with whats written in the Quran and the way that Muhammad lived his life and is described in various Hadiths.

Oh the expert on Islam chimes in again. How long have you studied the historiography? You're an expert on the Quran are you? Or is everything you claim some regurgitation of Sam Harris?

Which sources have you critically checked about this?

[DiracSpike]

I just received a very nice follow up letter from the Edmonton Police saying they had forwarded my email to the chief of police. I had no idea there was even an outlet for people to give encouraging words until MBates gave that link, so thanks for that.

If people feel the way I do that Police are underappreciated even after they stop Islamic extremists I would encourage you to email the EPS as well.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

Oh the expert on Islam chimes in again. How long have you studied the historiography? You're an expert on the Quran are you? Or is everything you claim some regurgitation of Sam Harris?

Which sources have you critically checked about this?

Wow. Talk about shooting the messenger. You're mad because I'm citing Pew Poll results that are readily available? Google it.

[metallicat]

https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=248_1506911803

Ten minute audio from police scanners of the U-Haul chase.

[GGG]

What do you compare those results to though?

For example US Muslims are more tolerant of homosexuality than evangelical Christians

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/fivethir...ing-views/amp/

So I think you need to be carful in comparing a Muslim from Pakistan with a while liberal from Toronto. Are Muslims more or less tolerant than Christians in Uganda might be a more fair comparison. And then the next question would be what do you do with that info.

It always disappoints me that the pew numbers don't have Christian countries and denominations alongside them to provide some context for comparison.

Is just as bad as Christians a compelling arguement? Probably not but when reviewing the pew survey context is certainly needed.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

Where your thought experiment fails is that ISIS is living a version of Islam that is perfectly on par with whats written in the Quran and the way that Muhammad lived his life and is described in various Hadiths.

Originally Posted by Resurrection

Wow. Talk about shooting the messenger. You're mad because I'm citing Pew Poll results that are readily available? Google it.

Lol. Nope not mad. You haven't cited any sources to back up your claim. You've just stated something and asked me to google it.

Ok you're a waste of time.

[metallicat]

Are you guys all done yet?

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Ducay

Any real news? Do they know where this guy was radicalized? (ie in Edmonton at a mosque, outreach group, or internet?)

He was being deported from the United States by immigration officials in 2011 but before they could send him back to Somalia he arrived on our border and obtained refugee status.

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...s-in-2011.html

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

He was being deported from the United States by immigration officials in 2011 but before they could send him back to Somalia he arrived on our border and obtained refugee status.

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...s-in-2011.html

Sharif had no known criminal history at the time of his encounters with ICE,” the statement said.

He was being deported for immigration reasons. This is probably a quite common occurrence given our more liberal refugee process.

[Ducay]

I'm still baffled by the whole process by which you can be in the US, but as long as you live illegally and don't submit a refugee claim, you can then submit one in Canada by sneaking across the border. As if you were being persecuted in the USA and were fleeing anything but your upcoming deportation. I get it is part of the UN convention on Refugees but jeez, still an absolute joke.

At least now people can see the tangible cost of these policies and the real impact they can have, rather than just hypothesizing that this could be perpetrated by one.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

Lol. Nope not mad. You haven't cited any sources to back up your claim. You've just stated something and asked me to google it.

Ok you're a waste of time.

The polls he's referring to are readily available, although Resurrection may be putting his own spin on the results:

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank...und-the-world/

http://news.gallup.com/poll/157067/views-violence.aspx

There are definitely large amounts of muslims who support Sharia law and/or acts of violence against civilians.

I think the solution to this lame argument was summed up pretty well already in this thread:

Originally Posted by DiracSpike

A group that's called the Islamic State isn't Islamic? OK.

I believe your intentions are to protect the vast majority of Muslims who aren't extremists from being painted as such, but being delusional isn't all that helpful.

I think most people in society can handle the nuance that a small minority of Muslims interpret their religion in a violent way but it's not representative of the population as a whole. Not all Muslims are IS members but all IS members are Muslims.

To paraphrase. There are Muslims that support terrorism and violence. That doesn't mean all Muslims do, and we shouldn't treat all Muslims as if they do.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by blankall

To paraphrase. There are Muslims that support terrorism and violence. That doesn't mean all Muslims do, and we shouldn't treat all Muslims as if they do.

I don't disagree nor do I suggest otherwise. Talk about lame arguments.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by oilers_fan

Are you guys all done yet?

Jesus Christ, now I am agreeing with an Oiler fan.

[Dogbert]

Originally Posted by taco.vidal

Thanks Trudeau.

Damn that Trudeau for letting this guy in four years before taking power!

[Ducay]

Originally Posted by Dogbert

Damn that Trudeau for letting this guy in four years before taking power!

Well his continuation and expansion of said policies potentially may have let the next Edmonton terrorist in. We'll find out in 3 or 4 years time.

[Red Slinger]

Originally Posted by Ducay

Well his continuation and expansion of said policies potentially may have let the next Edmonton terrorist in. We'll find out in 3 or 4 years time.

Is there a policy that can 100% guarantee we don't see a terrorist attack?

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

Oh the expert on Islam chimes in again. How long have you studied the historiography? You're an expert on the Quran are you? Or is everything you claim some regurgitation of Sam Harris?

Just curious, have you ever watched Sam Harris in a debate on religion? He's had some of the best scholars tounge tied