[PGT] Flames lose to Toronto again, 4-3

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Dube is huge for slotting the lines

Which is pretty much the opposite of depth.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Well, depth was a strength if you bought that Leivo and Simon were top 6 and middle 9 wingers, making it easy to move Lindholm to C

These guys are a bubble player and a guy who played okay with Crosby, which is pretty much an irrelevant basis for comparison anywhere else

And rolling 4 lines is and always has been a fantasy. You never have all 12 forwards rolling. That is part of what coaches do. Panic, use the blender, and shorten the bench

Still plenty of games vs Edm, Van, Wpg, Ott plus a test against Mtl

Nothing to worry about based on two crappy games against Tor

In fact Flames top line had quite a bit more ice time than the Leafs big guns.

Most fourth line players are going to get nine or ten minutes of icetime. It’s just helpful if the team doesn’t get smoked while they’re on the ice.

[flamesforthecup2017]

starting to wonder if markstrom at 6 years was a real bad move

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by flamesforthecup2017

starting to wonder if markstrom at 6 years was a real bad move

Bone apple tea

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by flamesforthecup2017

starting to wonder if markstrom at 6 years was a real bad move

I hope this is a joke

[Locke]

I hate losing to Toronto. Hate it.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by flamesforthecup2017

starting to wonder if markstrom at 6 years was a real bad move

Funny when you said this in the past:

Originally Posted by flamesforthecup2017

what would it cost us to get Markstrom? legit question...a 1st?

But back then it was a good trolling post when the Flames didn’t have him
Now that they do gotta change it up!
Keep that trolling fresh!

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by flamesforthecup2017

starting to wonder if markstrom at 6 years was a real bad move

Okay I think I’ve had enough internet for the day.

[D as in David]

For the posters asking why no other Flame jumped to Tkachuk's aid, I just looked at the replay and it looks like everyone was heading to the bench and didn't see it.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by flamesforthecup2017

starting to wonder if markstrom at 6 years was a real bad move

Go to bed.

Night all.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by flamesforthecup2017

starting to wonder if markstrom at 6 years was a real bad move

[browna]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

John Bean
As it has been for a while
And he would have the authority but I suspect like many organizations if he were to fire a senior executive he would discuss and align with his owners first.

Not that it really matters, but it is interesting what the hierarchy really is now. Ken King being around for almost 20 years was a conduit for the owners and involved deeper in some things the you’d expect him to be. Some owners have since passed as well, and Edwards, who was one of the loudest voices, is likely a bit more in the background now out of country, and of course, doesn’t have King as the go between/man on the ground...so the ownership dynamic has changed it seems.

Bean was hired basically for managing the arena project on the Flames business side years ago, so while he now may be in a similar role to King, not sure if he has the same relationships with the owners or desired involvement or interest in some of the day to day hockey related matters that King had, on behalf of, and request of, the owners.

Seems from the far outsider point of view, the top of the Flames executive tree is a bit rudderless as there doesn’t appear to be a stronger upfront personality as the public executive face of the franchise, hockey or otherwise.

I am sure it’s all managed properly behind the scenes, but post pandemic when everything gets back to near normal and Flames employees and staff are all rehired etc, would not surprise me if they find a president of hockey operations or similar, to be a bit more involved in some of the decisions and act on behalf of the owners and be that public face.

Similar to Shanahan in Toronto (who would’ve been the guy here if he accepted the role, in the dark declining days of the Feaster era - he turned it down and the Flames opened the vault to convince Burke to come here in a different role that Shanahan’s to desperately restore some credibility that had been thrown in the trash by the former GM).

[djsFlames]

I liked a lot of the final 40 but I felt like they played for the tie. The first consecutive leaf cycle shifts of the period occurred after that tying goal was scored, culminating in the leafs goal.

It's no coincidence. The Flames eased up when it was tied as if they weren't expecting Toronto to actually try to pull ahead before extra ihg time.

Playing for OT when you tie a game in the third is a dangerous game to play, where you'll end up with no points at all and that's what happened.

They had no problem continuing to bury Vancouver, need to keep the pedal down against other teams as well.

[3rd liner]

Matthews ‘stache is bad. Not even funny bad. Just creepy loser bad. I have a feeling he thinks it looks good on him...

[memphusk]

Tkachuk should be the captain. He was trying to set the stage for next time they play. He's not concerned about the puck being tossed his way. His tantrum takes focus off the loss. He's smart.

[3rd liner]

Originally Posted by AC

What the #### is that from Muzzin?

Garbage.

Muzzin is so tough. Doesn’t lift a finger all game against tkachuck but no time left, no lucic on the ice and flips a puck at him. What a hero. Probably still emotional about chucky repeatedly owning his longtime partner doughty.

[VANFLAMESFAN]

Originally Posted by MillerTime GFG

See that’s just it though...you’re basically saying we shouldn’t be upset losing back to back games to the same team because they’re favourites to win the division. WE want to be the favourites for once. Screw this perpetual mediocrity. It should be about winning the Stanley Cup. This core doesn’t have it, so as long as we hold onto them, we’ll continue to be just average.

That’s actually not what I was saying at all.

If they had lost two in a row to Ottawa, I would get the anger. But there’s no shame in losing to a good team. Good teams lose to good teams, it happens every day. Winning night in and night out has never been tougher and the margin of victory is paper thin.

Good teams lose two in a row, elite teams lose two in a row. The white flag waving and coach hollering after five games just seems so premature to me. There are 51 games left!!! There will be ups and downs.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by memphusk

Tkachuk should be the captain. He was trying to set the stage for next time they play. He's not concerned about the puck being tossed his way. His tantrum takes focus off the loss. He's smart.

Sorry man. That post game tantrum was probably exactly what it looked like.

A frustrated kid. He will mature, he won’t grow up to be a coach who beats the hell out of a garbage can.

But, like Captain Serious with his penalty box meltdown, that was not some brilliant display of next level leadership

You ever see Kipper get scored on?

You ever see Scotty Bowman lose or get an unfavourable call?

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by 3rd liner

Matthews ‘stache is bad. Not even funny bad. Just creepy loser bad. I have a feeling he thinks it looks good on him...

He looks like some kind of pervert

[868904]

Originally Posted by New Era

Ward lost this game. Brain dead coaching decision to put Lucic-Backlund-Bennett out against Matthews and Marner on back-to-back shifts. Terrible matchup that cost the team the game.

To be fair, that is your best defensive centreman in Backlund. It's not like he put Ryan with Lucic and Nordstrom out there.

Backlund had a pretty bad game.

To me the problem is mental with this team. After the last game, all you heard was the Leafs got lucky. That's loser talk. Winners look at themselves in the mirror and go out and kick ass the next night. If you lost, it's because YOU didn't do enough, it's not because of luck. You make your own luck. The Leafs drove the net and got shots to the net and the puck went in, don't be disrespectful and say they got lucky. Keep your mouth shut and just give the opposition their due when they beat you. If you were any good, you wouldn't have allowed those shots and opportunities in the first place. Stop with the loser talk because we've been hearing it for years with this group. Just go out there and win.

I knew this team would come out and #### the bed in the first because they thought the Leafs lucked out a win in the previous game. They thought they could coast through and win this game because they were entitled to it, because "teams don't sweep these two game sets".

They were over confident and ill prepared and it showed in a turd of a first period.