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Old 11-12-2021, 05:44 AM   #21
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I think he is going to be found not guilty on the most serious offenses.

But he did break other laws that he has no defense for. I don't buy the boy scout story that he was there to protect property and serve as a medic though. He was a provocateur there to troll people and bit off way more than he could chew.
I agree. He'll likely get off on the more serious offenses and be convicted for the less serious ones like crossing state lines, minor with a gun, breaking curfew, etc. He may end up with time served.

This trial will help to embed the toxic gun culture in the US even further and likely lead to more cases of vigilantism in the future. It may even spur on more militia groups.
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Heís gonna get off Scott free. The discourse around this case has been insanely toxic and I canít wait for it to be over.
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The kid went out to literally go hunting. He was successful. Regardless of self defence, he shouldn't have been there. The police were there. He thought he was playing some MAGA hero by walking down the street with an AR-15 strapped to his chest.

When he was confronted he peed his little boy pants and started firing. Bottom line.....he shouldn't have been there.

He will get off on self defense and the US will riot again. The judge seems like a racist old bastard as well.
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I've watched a bit of this, the breakdown by Rittenhouse was oscar worthy. He's scum, there's no defense for it. Hopefully he's found guilty and sent away for several lifetimes.
Even most actors cant act that well, he was very, very obviously overcome with emotion. Even if you want him to be guilty more than anything in the world it's still a huge stretch to project that on him.
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Even most actors cant act that well, he was very, very obviously overcome with emotion. Even if you want him to be guilty more than anything in the world it's still a huge stretch to project that on him.
He was clearly having a panic attack. Itís a kid, who killed someone, and the entire nation has eyes on him. Take a step back from your bias for a second people. Canít believe how many people are saying this is all an act.

Iím the most anti-gun person I know. I donít like any of the events that led to the kid being there in the first place. But he obviously pulled the trigger in self defence, and he isnít some hardened criminal. This is getting absolutely ridiculous.
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I think what is missing in this discussion is intent, and something the prosecution did a really poor job at laying out. Rittenhouse had clear intent in his actions leading up to the shooting.

Rittenhouse was NOT the gun owner. As a 17 year old he was not eligible to own the rifle and his parent would have been the legal gun owner. He also crossed state lines with a firearm. While Wisconsin is a reciprocity state, honoring the licenses of other states, they only do so for permit holder over the age of 21. Wisconsin bans 17 year olds from possessing a firearm. So I do believe that Rittenhouse, in breaking these two laws, has also made himself subject to breaking a federal law pertaining to the interstate transport of a firearm. Rittenhouse admitted to all of these actions.

Rittenhouse claims he was going to Kenosha to protect property and act as a medic. Rittenhouse was neither trained to protect property nor contracted to protect property by the owners, meaning his presence on any property would have been trespassing, the same for all at the protest. Rittenhouse had left his "protective position" and entered the fray. Rittenhouse was also not a trained medic nor did he ever try and help anyone at the protest by giving aid, even while given ample opportunity.

Ironically, the man who survived Rittenhouse's bullets was a certified EMT who had given aid to multiple people that evening. That EMT did bring a sidearm to the protest, which he legally owned and was permitted to carry at one time - his permit had expired. Grosskreutz - the EMT - was not charged with anything related to his weapon or carrying of the weapon during these events.

It is clear that Rittenhouse had intent. He knew what he was doing and he was intentionally putting himself in a dangerous situation.

Having said that, the self-defense story is likely to resonate with a juror who will ignore all the lead up that establishes motive and intent. I think he will be acquitted of the homicide charges. I don't think he is as lucky with the weapons charges.
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Kyle made a lot of bad decisions, but none of them strip him of his right to defend himself from people trying to kill him.
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I think what is missing in this discussion is intent, and something the prosecution did a really poor job at laying out. Rittenhouse had clear intent in his actions leading up to the shooting.

Rittenhouse was NOT the gun owner. As a 17 year old he was not eligible to own the rifle and his parent would have been the legal gun owner. He also crossed state lines with a firearm. While Wisconsin is a reciprocity state, honoring the licenses of other states, they only do so for permit holder over the age of 21. Wisconsin bans 17 year olds from possessing a firearm. So I do believe that Rittenhouse, in breaking these two laws, has also made himself subject to breaking a federal law pertaining to the interstate transport of a firearm. Rittenhouse admitted to all of these actions.

Rittenhouse claims he was going to Kenosha to protect property and act as a medic. Rittenhouse was neither trained to protect property nor contracted to protect property by the owners, meaning his presence on any property would have been trespassing, the same for all at the protest. Rittenhouse had left his "protective position" and entered the fray. Rittenhouse was also not a trained medic nor did he ever try and help anyone at the protest by giving aid, even while given ample opportunity.

Ironically, the man who survived Rittenhouse's bullets was a certified EMT who had given aid to multiple people that evening. That EMT did bring a sidearm to the protest, which he legally owned and was permitted to carry at one time - his permit had expired. Grosskreutz - the EMT - was not charged with anything related to his weapon or carrying of the weapon during these events.

It is clear that Rittenhouse had intent. He knew what he was doing and he was intentionally putting himself in a dangerous situation.

Having said that, the self-defense story is likely to resonate with a juror who will ignore all the lead up that establishes motive and intent. I think he will be acquitted of the homicide charges. I don't think he is as lucky with the weapons charges.
I agree.

Rittenhouse appears to be a ####bag that wanted to be out on the streets swinging his dick.
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Heís gonna get off Scott free. The discourse around this case has been insanely toxic and I canít wait for it to be over.
You think it's toxic now wait til the verdict comes down.
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Kyle made a lot of bad decisions, but none of them strip him of his right to defend himself from people trying to kill him.
I agree, and he did a lot of things wrong that night. Guy is a complete moron.

but as for what he's actually being charged with, the only thing that I think should stick is the misdemeanor for carrying a weapon under the age of 18

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How ####ed up is it that the FBI "lost" the video evidence that was instrumental in exonerating KR until the last minute. The most important piece of evidence for the biggest trial in the country and they "lost" it. The FBI clearly played politics on this one.
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How ####ed up is it that the FBI "lost" the video evidence that was instrumental in exonerating KR until the last minute. The most important piece of evidence for the biggest trial in the country and they "lost" it. The FBI clearly played politics on this one.
Or the FBI tends to eff things up. Everything isn't a mass conspiracy.
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He was clearly having a panic attack. Itís a kid, who killed someone, and the entire nation has eyes on him. Take a step back from your bias for a second people. Canít believe how many people are saying this is all an act.

Iím the most anti-gun person I know. I donít like any of the events that led to the kid being there in the first place. But he obviously pulled the trigger in self defence, and he isnít some hardened criminal. This is getting absolutely ridiculous.
Will be curious to see the route he takes after this. Will he become a right wing celebrity and love the attention or just get on with this life?
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I don't understand how this can be such a public event? Is it being live streamed?

How does that not contaminate the jury pool, witnesses, etc?

But yeah, I agree with Scroopy.
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Agree with Lanny here. As much as the killings themselves could be categorised as self defence, Kyle still created the exact situation in which he would need self defence. You can chalk it up to multiple stupid decisions, but when 2 people are dead, I don’t think “he made some stupid decisions” is that great of an excuse. He’s a killer. People died because of him, and if he were not there, they wouldn’t have. Plain and simple.

A few of his defenders have focused in on what he went through, being kicked, a skateboard swung at him, a gun pointed at him, etc. But consider the other side and realise most of these people were dealing with what they thought was an active shooter and a threat. They were trying to stop a killer. They were trying to stop someone who just put four bullets into an unarmed man.

He might get off on self defence, but he is still a killer. He is still the only reason these people are dead and injured.
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The kid went out to literally go hunting. He was successful. Regardless of self defence, he shouldn't have been there. The police were there. He thought he was playing some MAGA hero by walking down the street with an AR-15 strapped to his chest.

When he was confronted he peed his little boy pants and started firing. Bottom line.....he shouldn't have been there.

He will get off on self defense and the US will riot again. The judge seems like a racist old bastard as well.
I think most people would agree he shouldn’t have been there. That doesn’t erase a self defence verdict. I’m not a lawyer but the entire case should have been based around him travelling with, and carrying a weapon illegally.

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Will be curious to see the route he takes after this. Will he become a right wing celebrity and love the attention or just get on with this life?
Even less to do with “loving the attention”, how does someone is his position not seek support and safety from right wing extremists with half the nation calling for his head?. This entire thing is a #### up.
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I don't understand how this can be such a public event? Is it being live streamed?

How does that not contaminate the jury pool, witnesses, etc?

But yeah, I agree with Scroopy.
Courtroom porn in the states is seriously ####ed up in my opinion.
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Kyle made a lot of bad decisions, but none of them strip him of his right to defend himself from people trying to kill him.
If you bring an assault rifle to riot, there's no real self defense anymore. You're a willing combatant at that point
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Agree with Lanny here. As much as the killings themselves could be categorised as self defence, Kyle still created the exact situation in which he would need self defence. You can chalk it up to multiple stupid decisions, but when 2 people are dead, I donít think ďhe made some stupid decisionsĒ is that great of an excuse. Heís a killer. People died because of him, and if he were not there, they wouldnít have. Plain and simple.

A few of his defenders have focused in on what he went through, being kicked, a skateboard swung at him, a gun pointed at him, etc. But consider the other side and realise most of these people were dealing with what they thought was an active shooter and a threat. They were trying to stop a killer. They were trying to stop someone who just put four bullets into an unarmed man.

He might get off on self defence, but he is still a killer. He is still the only reason these people are dead and injured.
Agreed. Too bad it looks like all the technicalities unique to the USA are on his side.
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A few of his defenders have focused in on what he went through, being kicked, a skateboard swung at him, a gun pointed at him, etc. But consider the other side and realise most of these people were dealing with what they thought was an active shooter and a threat. They were trying to stop a killer. They were trying to stop someone who just put four bullets into an unarmed man.
I do believe Grosskreutz when he said he thought Rittenhouse was an active shooter and tried to stop him based on that. But the two that were killed were chasing and assaulting him even before shots were fired
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