Now now, let's all just cool it until the Bruins' PR folks, Lucic's lawyer, and maybe a few of the other Bruins wives assist this woman with releasing a statement that explains how she did in fact mess with his phone and was the real aggressor here. I loved the guy when he played here, but the "innocent until proven guilty" stuff is only for the court itself. This whole incident has damage control written all over it from the moment they "observed redness on her chest, but she said she wasn't strangled". I doubt we ever get the straight facts on this one, and bet he's back on the Bruins quicker than you'd think.
Now now, let's all just cool it until the Bruins' PR folks, Lucic's lawyer, and maybe a few of the other Bruins wives assist this woman with releasing a statement that explains how she did in fact mess with his phone and was the real aggressor here. I loved the guy when he played here, but the "innocent until proven guilty" stuff is only for the court itself. This whole incident has damage control written all over it from the moment they "observed redness on her chest, but she said she wasn't strangled". I doubt we ever get the straight facts on this one, and bet he's back on the Bruins quicker than you'd think.
Innocent until proven guilty is reserved for everyone, not just people that are deemed guilty by the court of public opinion.
I don't think anyone should make excuses, and it certainly doesn't look good, but there are been far too many incidents where people's lives were ruined because the court of public opinion dealt out judgements one way or the other, and in the end were wrong.
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Innocent until proven guilty is reserved for everyone, not just people that are deemed guilty by the court of public opinion.
I don't think anyone should make excuses, and it certainly doesn't look good, but there are been far too many incidents where people's lives were ruined because the court of public opinion dealt out judgements one way or the other, and in the end were wrong.
So if your neighbor drives your kids to school, and you notice his kids have black eyes and bruises, etc....they say something about their dad drinking too much and being scary.....that dude is presumed innocent in your neighborhood until a jury of his peers has convicted him? I doubt it.
EDIT: I'd also add that for every "victim of public opinion" there are several abused folks who change their story and continue to be abused under pressure from others to "keep it together for the family/team/etc". In these cases the "truth that comes out" is not really the truth, which was the point of my post and what I personally feel has taken/will take place here.
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Fwiw, my friend was on a bachelorette party a couple years ago and ran into a group of flames at a 17 ave pub establishment. She said that of all the flames there, Lucic was the most mature and down to earth. He was extremely respectful to all the women. He talked about his children and his wife. Said he came across a true stand up guy and it was obvious he had no interest in the women beyond a friendly platonic interaction. She doesn't care about hockey at all, but it was clear she thought highly of Lucic based on their interactions that night.
Whatever happened in Boston that night is very sad within the above context. It seems out of character for Lucic, who seemingly took pride in being one of the good guys.
So if your neighbor drives your kids to school, and you notice his kids have black eyes and bruises, etc....they say something about their dad drinking too much and being scary.....that dude is presumed innocent in your neighborhood until a jury of his peers has convicted him? I doubt it.
EDIT: I'd also add that for every "victim of public opinion" there are several abused folks who change their story and continue to be abused under pressure from others to "keep it together for the family/team/etc". In these cases the "truth that comes out" is not really the truth, which was the point of my post and what I personally feel has taken/will take place here.
I think your point is really good, but you know as well as I do when people start saying stuff before they know anything it turns into gossip and takes on a life of it's own. I think we all should be there to protect children if anyone suspects something is wrong. In your case the black eyes and bruises is very specific and concerning. I just think it's prudent for people to wait until we know what happened in this case when we don't have the facts. The situation with Lucic sounds serious.
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Have you had one of your partners think that you had cheated on them tho?
Happened to someone I know. Girl snooped his phone bill and saw 300 texts and calls btwn bro and his ex. Girl got hysterical. Started throwing pots and pans and plates at the bro. Like she went ballistic. Eventually bro gets triggered, tried to stop her. Bro ended up shaking her and yelling her face "wtf are you doing Amanda, calm da #### down woman." Not necessary, but not assault.
Then she called 911, police escorted him off the property after allowing him to grab some personal items. Took statements from all of us. No charges were filed.
Never figured out if he cheated on her. It was a good night for me tho. Amanda was down for revenge. And I helped her get it, if you know what I mean. I was only 19, so it was only a couple mins of revenge, but still counts. As Shakespeare says, a rose by any other name would smell as sweet.
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Fwiw, my friend was on a bachelorette party a couple years ago and ran into a group of flames at a 17 ave pub establishment. She said that of all the flames there, Lucic was the most mature and down to earth. He was extremely respectful to all the women. He talked about his children and his wife. Said he came across a true stand up guy and it was obvious he had no interest in the women beyond a friendly platonic interaction. She doesn't care about hockey at all, but it was clear she thought highly of Lucic based on their interactions that night.
Whatever happened in Boston that night is very sad within the above context. It seems out of character for Lucic, who seemingly took pride in being one of the good guys.
Your first story was super suspect, so I'm not sure I am buying what your are selling.
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So if your neighbor drives your kids to school, and you notice his kids have black eyes and bruises, etc....they say something about their dad drinking too much and being scary.....that dude is presumed innocent in your neighborhood until a jury of his peers has convicted him? I doubt it.
EDIT: I'd also add that for every "victim of public opinion" there are several abused folks who change their story and continue to be abused under pressure from others to "keep it together for the family/team/etc". In these cases the "truth that comes out" is not really the truth, which was the point of my post and what I personally feel has taken/will take place here.
It's possible to both protect victims of violence, domestic or otherwise, and follow the rule of law yourself.
That's in fact what's going on with Lucic and his bail conditions. While due process occurs, he's not allowed to interact with the purported victim.
Your views are pretty dangerous. You are correct that women do get pressured into recanting evidence of abuse. However, false accusations are a thing too. It's an imperfect system, but the courts are in the best position to judge what actually happened.
I think your point is really good, but you know as well as I do when people start saying stuff before they know anything it turns into gossip and takes on a life of it's own. I think we all should be there to protect children if anyone suspects something is wrong. Your case the black eyes and brushes is very specific concerning. I just think it's prudent for people to wait until we know what happened in this case when we don't have the facts. The situation with Lucic sounds serious.
Yeah, it would be awesome if people didn't gossip, but that's just what people do. To me, this smells like a situation that has been/will be walked back by the victim from the moment of the 911 call onward, so I doubt we will get to know what actually happened here. I loved the guy when he played here, and maybe this is out of character for him, but it seems like he really messed up here from where I'm sitting.
It's possible to both protect victims of violence, domestic or otherwise, and follow the rule of law yourself.
That's in fact what's going on with Lucic and his bail conditions. While due process occurs, he's not allowed to interact with the purported victim.
Your views are pretty dangerous. You are correct that women do get pressured into recanting evidence of abuse. However, false accusations are a thing too. It's an imperfect system, but the courts are in the best position to judge what actually happened.
No, my views are not dangerous, I'm just being real and honest. I'm not taking any action on Lucic here at all aside from voicing my concerns about how this will play out. Spare me the virtue signaling/high horse treatment here. Do you still consider OJ innocent too, despite writing a book called "If I did it....."? Due process/fair trial under the law, etc is all vitally important, but there is no law that states that I need to give every human being the benefit of the doubt and trust they are innocent until a court of law has proven them guilty. If I see you steal something from my property, I should assume you're innocent until you've been proven guilty in court next year? Give me a break, man. I understand false accusations can be dangerous, but this situation does not seem to be fabricated.
