Moving Kylington to Wing?

[The Boy Wonder]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

They should have moved him to the wing!

I posted this thread out of fun, and also to see if anyone could think of any examples of whether the NHL would allow a team to protect a dual position guy as a F instead of D.

Of course all of this presupposes that Gio remains a stud until age 38 and there isn't a spot opened in the D pairings for kylington.

otherwise we will have to send him down if all d-men are healthy, and I don't think that is ideal either

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

I posted this thread out of fun, and also to see if anyone could think of any examples of whether the NHL would allow a team to protect a dual position guy as a F instead of D.

IIRC, the NHL lists a player at a certain position, and that is where they slot on the draft. The Flames would have to legitimately convert Kylington to wing for this to work.

Of course all of this presupposes that Gio remains a stud until age 38 and there isn't a spot opened in the D pairings for kylington.

I can't see any way the Flames protect Gio over the three kids in two years.

otherwise we will have to send him down if all d-men are healthy, and I don't think that is ideal either

True, but that's a good problem to have. Kylington can get big minutes in Stockton, then come up as the 7th/8th defenceman for the late season run. And depending on how confident you are in all three of them, it makes Brodie or Hamonic expendable.

[Gaskal]

This isn't even Be a GM at this point. It's Hockey Ultimate Team.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

OP is thinking outside the box and that's not always horrible. Brent Burns has played both as has Fat Buff.



I've often times thought that Dougie would have made a great winger due to his defensive lapses and offensive instinct.



Kylington holds his own defensively, so there's no need to move him anywhere. Plus, getting a guy to learn a whole new position this late in his career is usually a fruitless endeavor.

Both players also played forward and were drafted as forwards out of junior, so it wasn't a big reach to bounce them back and forth once they learned finer details defensively. Going the other way is an entirely different beast and I honestly can't think of any defencemen who have ended up becoming productive as a forward.

A team that doesn't have much defensively in the pipeline now shouldn't be converting a player to a far less valuable bottom 6 forward position when he could end up in a highly valuable top 4 defenceman spot by then. It's a good problem to have.

[Spinach]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

So, why did neither SJ nor Winnipeg think to protect either of these players as forwards?

I am guessing that this is just not a functional loophole.

Who says they didn't consider it and simply chose not to?

Still, it's probably correct that it's a loophole that the league has closed for the purposes of expansion drafts; or, if not, it's just not practical for teams to use it.

Regardless, I like the creative thinking.

[Shazam]

If he’s going to the Red Wings we’d better be getting Howard and something else.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Calgary's defensive protection list come expansion will be Hanifin, Valimaki, Andersson, and Kylington. That's the future core of our blueline, and it looks pretty damn good.

[Steve Bozek]

I often thought Bouwmeester could have done this, and the Flames used to move Paul Reinhart up to centre during the playoffs.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by New Era

Calgary's defensive protection list come expansion will be Hanifin, Valimaki, Andersson, and Kylington. That's the future core of our blueline, and it looks pretty damn good.

You can protect only three?

Unless you want to protect 8 skaters. Gaudreau, Monahan, Lindholm, Tkachuk would be the forwards to round out that group. So would cost us Backlund.

Also Brodie's 28. I don't see a harm in re-signing him (or Hamonic) dependent on contracts. And in that case he could easily displace one of those guys on the list too.

I think we just got to be reasonable and assume we're losing a decent defender with potential. We got away with losing nothing last time, so it's not the most unfair thing in the world.

[Fire]

Originally Posted by New Era

Calgary's defensive protection list come expansion will be Hanifin, Valimaki, Andersson, and Kylington. That's the future core of our blueline, and it looks pretty damn good.

A lot will depend how Andersson and Kylington develop in the next two seasons. I could see the Flames expose one of those two if either one plateaus in their development. Then they could protect 7F and 3D.

If they go with Hanifin, Valimaki, Andersson, and Kylington then they could only protect 4 fowards (Gaudreau, Monahan, Tkachuk and Lindholm). Leaving Bennett, Jankowski, Backlund and Dube exposed. Being able to protect Backlund, Bennett, Jankowski/Dube would be really nice.

[GullFoss]

Phaneuf played LW for a few shifts back in the day. Also, didnt Brent Burns do the same thing?

It's not as crazy as it sounds. Except that Kylington is probably too weak along the boards.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Byfuglien and Burns have. Fedorov played defense, wing and of course center. There's several examples of this, just not for the reason to protect a player in the expansion draft.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

You can protect only three?

Ah, that's right. I thought you could protect four and seven forwards. I suspect that the GM will make a deal to protect his hind quarters and our blueliners.

[cral12]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

They should have moved him to the wing!

Actually, funny enough, I recall the Red Deer Rebels playing Dumba at RW in 2010-11 playoffs for 1 period, anyway. (in the year before his draft eligible season, as a 16 yo).

Found a reference!
https://www.pressreader.com/canada/c...83137130302025

[FlamesAddiction]

Jamie Allison played both as well. Phil Housley suited up for some games as a center, but reportedly hated it.

It would probably just be easier to trade a defenseman for a forward, prospect, or pick of equal value before the expansion draft.

But like others have mentioned, it's too early to worry about. Definitely too early to invest the time and training that it would take to re-develop a promising defenseman to a new position.

[DAN0383]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Byfuglien and Burns have. Fedorov played defense, wing and of course center. There's several examples of this, just not for the reason to protect a player in the expansion draft.

Mathieu Dandenault. #neverforget

[Oling_Roachinen]

Let's also not forget the five defenseman powerplay Sutter utilized. All eligible for expansion draft protection as forwards because of it!

[Mattman]

Didn't see it asked as I read through this thread.

But doesn't a player need to play a certain amount of games slotted in a D or F position to be considered a D or F?

[TheOnlyBilko]

I remember back in the day, when Phil Housley was playing with Buffalo, he often played forward

[Jay Random]

Way way back in the day, Cliff Fletcher said he wanted to convert Paul Reinhart from D to wing, but the team was never deep enough on the blue line to do it. I think if anybody could have managed the transition smoothly, it was Rhino.

Really, I guess that's why it so rarely happens. A good defenceman is too valuable right where he is.