UPD: Kevin Kurz: Bennett won't receive any supplemental discipline for hit on Simek

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by OmegaV4

So I don't get it...what's the issue exactly?

Sam caught a guy admiring his pass(with no contact to the head) 0.6 seconds late, and there wasn't a suspension.

So the DoPS got it...right?

Right? Contact is part of the game and players can't exactly count fractions of a second in their head while the game is being played.

I think the issue is the people that say he should have got suspended, like the post citing NBC sports a few above this one.

[CaptainCrunch]

Some CalgaryPuck members can testify to my last major concussion came from being slammed to the ground during a game of flag football.


But then again as my Doctor says, I'm highly susceptible to concussions due to having multiple major concussions.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

You don’t need to be hit in the head to be concussed.

If a collision is violent enough that your head moves, and your brain bounces off the inside of your skull, you can be concussed. So in the case of trauma due to a whiplash type action, you could be.

Which is why if the NHL is truly going to take concussions seriously, it can't just be about head shots. It has to be about unnecessary physicality that is beyond retrieval of the puck.
I know people are tired of this drum being beaten but the fact the question is being asked underscores that there is still far too little shared knowledge about concussions.
Removing head shots is an important step. But in my view a hit like Sam delivered is also not necessary for the game.
Which isn't to say that he should have faced a severe suspension, because under the current rules and mindset it was a slightly late hit, but otherwise delivered "cleanly".

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Right? Contact is part of the game and players can't exactly count fractions of a second in their head while the game is being played.

I think the issue is the people that say he should have got suspended, like the post citing NBC sports a few above this one.

Yeah - same situation as the Dumba hit IMO.

Unnecessary but not dirty.

Do you need to lay out a guy that hard with less than a minute left in a 2-3 goal game? No

Does that mean it's dirty or suspend-able? No

Would you expect the opposing team to be PO'd about the hit? 100% - Sharks are going to be pissed off much like the Flames were pissed off about Dumba's hit.

Agree 100% here that the issue is the media pushing for a suspension and whining about it.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Yeah - same situation as the Dumba hit IMO.

Unnecessary but not dirty.

Do you need to lay out a guy that hard with less than a minute left in a 2-3 goal game? No

Does that mean it's dirty or suspend-able? No

Would you expect the opposing team to be PO'd about the hit? 100% - Sharks are going to be pissed off much like the Flames were pissed off about Dumba's hit.

Agree 100% here that the issue is the media pushing for a suspension and whining about it.

Is this true?

I haven't seen anything in regards to this, but then again i haven't looked either.

Weird that media would be clamoring for a suspension when it wasn't even a fineable level incident.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Which is why if the NHL is truly going to take concussions seriously, it can't just be about head shots. It has to be about unnecessary physicality that is beyond retrieval of the puck.
I know people are tired of this drum being beaten but the fact the question is being asked underscores that there is still far too little shared knowledge about concussions.
Removing head shots is an important step. But in my view a hit like Sam delivered is also not necessary for the game.
Which isn't to say that he should have faced a severe suspension, because under the current rules and mindset it was a slightly late hit, but otherwise delivered "cleanly".

It's a fine line though because honestly you can never get rid of concussions completely.

I got a concussion playing non-contact, co-ed, flag football. It can happen in any scenario and IMO the answer can't just be "we need to remove body contact".

My personal feeling is that the league should take precautions to make the game as safe as possible without altering the core fabric of the game but that the players need to take more responsibility too.

Physical contact is a part of hockey. I agree that the league probably needs to look one step past just direct headshots, and look at things like hits after the puck is gone more seriously, but really it's happening quick and is a fine line between taking those hits more seriously and the complete removal of hitting. (Another thing they should probably look at is potentially making the penalties for fighting more severe).

But at some point it comes down to the players and acceptance of the risk. They need to understand the risk, be educated on the potential long term impacts, and then it's up to them to determine if that risk is worth the financial benefit from playing the sport.

At some point the league can only be so accountable and it's up to the individual player/person to assess the risk and determine if it's worth it to them. And the player needs to be accountable for that, and the NHLPA, junior/minor/college hockey programs need to be the ones ensuring that those players have the right information to make that decision.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Is this true?

I haven't seen anything in regards to this, but then again i haven't looked either.

Weird that media would be clamoring for a suspension when it wasn't even a fineable level incident.

Lots of Sharks media on Twitter and different media outlets were complaining that the Karlsson hit resulted in a suspension but that this one got nothing.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

It's a fine line though because honestly you can never get rid of concussions completely.

I got a concussion playing non-contact, co-ed, flag football. It can happen in any scenario and IMO the answer can't just be "we need to remove body contact".

My personal feeling is that the league should take precautions to make the game as safe as possible without altering the core fabric of the game but that the players need to take more responsibility too.

Physical contact is a part of hockey. I agree that the league probably needs to look one step past just direct headshots, and look at things like hits after the puck is gone more seriously, but really it's happening quick and is a fine line between taking those hits more seriously and the complete removal of hitting. (Another thing they should probably look at is potentially making the penalties for fighting more severe).

But at some point it comes down to the players and acceptance of the risk. They need to understand the risk, be educated on the potential long term impacts, and then it's up to them to determine if that risk is worth the financial benefit from playing the sport.

At some point the league can only be so accountable and it's up to the individual player/person to assess the risk and determine if it's worth it to them. And the player needs to be accountable for that, and the NHLPA, junior/minor/college hockey programs need to be the ones ensuring that those players have the right information to make that decision.

To me - the concept of "finishing the check" is one element that should be removed.
Sam knew what he was doing. He knew the puck was going to be gone when he got there. It wasn't anything to do with the puck. It was about payback.
Which again - not blaming him. But that's the cultural shift that needs to happen.

[Wolfman]

Simek, keep your head up son

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

But at some point it comes down to the players and acceptance of the risk. They need to understand the risk, be educated on the potential long term impacts, and then it's up to them to determine if that risk is worth the financial benefit from playing the sport.

At some point the league can only be so accountable and it's up to the individual player/person to assess the risk and determine if it's worth it to them. And the player needs to be accountable for that, and the NHLPA, junior/minor/college hockey programs need to be the ones ensuring that those players have the right information to make that decision.

I disagree with this. Even if they know what could possibly happen almost every player will still gamble that they'll be one of the vast majority who won't get hurt and choose the millions of dollars. To me this is no different than mandatory helmets, visors, seatbelts or even things like steeltoe boots on construction sites, if you let people choose they'll usually choose the easy way or what gets them the most money.

Unfortunately there are the unluckly few that end up with major brain trauma and end up with a multitude of problems from domestic violence, drug/alcohol addiction, homelessness and in the worst cases suicide. Guaranteed those players in hindsight would trade the millions for their health/life back.

I hate big government and over-regulation but some safety measures need to be forced on people for their own good and the good of society as a whole.

[rohara66]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

To me - the concept of "finishing the check" is one element that should be removed.
Sam knew what he was doing. He knew the puck was going to be gone when he got there. It wasn't anything to do with the puck. It was about payback.
Which again - not blaming him. But that's the cultural shift that needs to happen.

Finishing the check, assuming its not too late (0.6 seconds or whatever was previously mentioned) is legal.


I'd hate to see the rules changed where you can no longer hit a player that has since moved the puck regardless of how much time has passed. About to get hit, dish the puck and then its a penalty would severely change the game.



But I get what you're saying, I just dont think hockey should be non-contact.

[Strange Brew]

Finishing a check does not equal “payback”. You can certainly eliminate one without the other.

[FlamesAddiction]

I am pretty sure Bennett makes that same hit every time regardless of what Dell did.

I don't understand the argument that players shouldn't play until the last second of the game. Should a player not go for an empty net in the dying seconds because the game is already realistically decided?

Every Sharks player was still playing to score, so why wouldn't the opposition team play to stop them?

If you have a chance to make a clean hit, you do it.

[868904]

Simek should have been paying attention NOT because the game wasn't over, but because of the #### that the Sharks started the shift before.

Simek screwed up because he didn't understand how things are in the NHL. That's on him. But it's also on the Sharks veterans and coach for putting Simek out there and not telling him to keep his head up because the temperature is high.

Apparently Deboer benched Dillon for poor play in the third. Well, he should have put him out there instead of Simek. The only person Deboer should be mad at, is himself. Your players go out and stir up trouble and you think the Flames are just going to let it go?

I find Deboer is either really stupid and has no situational awareness OR he is extremely passive aggressive and sets these incidents up to fire up his team. He had a lot of battles with Torterella over stuff like this.

[jlh2640]

Late for sure, but the Sharks had it coming. Dell started this with an uncalled whack

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by jlh2640

Late for sure, but the Sharks had it coming. Dell started this with an uncalled whack

And then punked Sam by glove-punching him as he walked in, knowing full well Sam can't retaliate on a goalie. Two extraordinary punk moves but Sam ensured they paid the price with Simek getting run over and Goodrow getting beat up.

I hope Dell remembers the price his teammates paid for his vigilante actions next time he tries to thug it up.

[FlamesAddiction]

I watched the Detroit feed tonight and I have to say that their broadcasters are refreshingly unhomeristic. They talked about the visiting Flames and gave them a lot of praise.

[Resolute 14]

ed: wrong thread.