2022 Cavalry FC and CPL Thread - Page 3 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

shermanator · 01-21-2022, 09:11 AM

Pa-Modou Kah has left Pacific to become head coach of North Texas, which is FC Dallas' reserve team.

AndyM · 01-21-2022, 09:28 AM

That's too bad for the CPL. He's going to be a star. I guess this gives him a better path to a full MLS gig.

Not too sure what to make of the MLS Next Pro. Ya'll talked about it with Mo Farsi. Is it truly a step up? Or more lateral?

Surprised a couple of Calgary kids, Adam Huskic and Dane Domic, didn't get selected in last night's draft. Thought both would be a shoe-in. Good to see the other Calgary players selected though. Big fan of Caden Rogozinski.

shermanator · 01-21-2022, 10:09 AM

IMO this MLS Next Pro is a different option for players. It's a reserve league with a more direct shot at MLS, which is a pretty lucrative gig. If CPL loses enough to this reserve league then it's a good excuse to become a more attractive place to play. There's always going to be movement at this level as players jockey to make a better living at it, that's the reality. Sucks to lose Farsi, but he wasn't going to stay here anyways. Sucks that Pacific lost Kah, but he was going to leave sooner or later for a better gig.

The whole point of CPL is to give more Canadians the opportunity to play professional soccer, as opposing to their development ending at an early age. The same is true for coaches, management, administrators, etc. So speaking to Farsi's move it's mission accomplished in that sense.

What I will say is that we should never take the stability of Cavalry for granted. Some of the rumours I've heard about Edmonton really bring that to light.

Slava · 01-21-2022, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by AndyM

That's too bad for the CPL. He's going to be a star. I guess this gives him a better path to a full MLS gig.

Not too sure what to make of the MLS Next Pro. Ya'll talked about it with Mo Farsi. Is it truly a step up? Or more lateral?

Surprised a couple of Calgary kids, Adam Huskic and Dane Domic, didn't get selected in last night's draft. Thought both would be a shoe-in. Good to see the other Calgary players selected though. Big fan of Caden Rogozinski.

They had a kid on the news last night (sorry I can't recall his name now), but he was hoping to be drafted and wasn't. I wonder if some of them can get a look with the Cavs anyway though, being local and obviously somewhat close?

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Originally Posted by shermanator

IMO this MLS Next Pro is a different option for players. It's a reserve league with a more direct shot at MLS, which is a pretty lucrative gig. If CPL loses enough to this reserve league then it's a good excuse to become a more attractive place to play. There's always going to be movement at this level as players jockey to make a better living at it, that's the reality. Sucks to lose Farsi, but he wasn't going to stay here anyways. Sucks that Pacific lost Kah, but he was going to leave sooner or later for a better gig.

The whole point of CPL is to give more Canadians the opportunity to play professional soccer, as opposing to their development ending at an early age. The same is true for coaches, management, administrators, etc. So speaking to Farsi's move it's mission accomplished in that sense.

What I will say is that we should never take the stability of Cavalry for granted. Some of the rumours I've heard about Edmonton really bring that to light.

Maybe the long-term hope for the CPL is to become the league beneath the MLS so there is relegation/promotion? That would be amazing...obviously.

shermanator · 01-21-2022, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Slava

Maybe the long-term hope for the CPL is to become the league beneath the MLS so there is relegation/promotion? That would be amazing...obviously.

Uh, no.

Ozy_Flame · 01-21-2022, 12:03 PM

Interesting. MLSNP will have all Team clubs through 2022 and 2023, but will also include independent clubs not associated with MLS (e.g. Rochester is an independent club in 2022, with more to come the year after).

It's hard to say where CPL will place among this structure, but I can see it eventually being worked into a 3rd or 4th tier of structure in a promotion/relegation system if there is a relationship to be had where that is desired.

Having said that, I'd rather CPL remain independent (for now) and have a promotion/relegation system for Canadian teams only. The purpose is to provide a vehicle for young Canadian talent to develop from amateur to professional soccer, as well as provide a league platform for developing players from more premier teams (e.g. what Karifa Yao was with Montreal loaning him out). It can also be a place for older players to recapture their game (e.g. Joe Mason).

If MLSNP is successful, I don't see why any CPL clubs couldn't become independent members of that league if looking for a larger professional presence, or at least get matches against them in some sort of Cup or tournament.

That's at least what I would like to see.

Slava · 01-21-2022, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by shermanator

Uh, no.

Why not?

M*A*S*H 4077 · 01-21-2022, 12:56 PM

Losing Pa sucks for the league as a whole but he was always going to be short for the CPL. It’ll be interesting to follow his career over the next few years

The CPL will figure out its place amongst all these other leagues as they all develop in the coming years. I do hope that the CPL can eventually keep these talents instead of losing them to MLS Next but that might be a pipe dream, at least for the next few years

CroFlames · 01-21-2022, 01:46 PM

CPL clubs have been competitive when playing head to head vs MLS clubs (like when we beat Whitecaps).

I have to think MLS next is a step down from CPL, but a more direct path to MLS for players and thus more money.

shermanator · 01-21-2022, 02:26 PM

CPL and MLS / MLSNext are completely separate entities in completely separate pyramids. CPL is in the Canadian pyramid and MLS / MLSNext are in the American pyramid. There will for sure be player movement between the two but that's no different than player movement between CPL and any league in Europe.

The US pyramid has been incredibly fluid over the last decade and CPL will have to find its place in the ever changing marketplace for talent, but there really is no relationship between the leagues outside of that. The Canadian pyramid is likely to be fluid over the next decade as well as it develops but really there's one professional league and some provincial amateur leagues and that's it.

Now if we end up in a scenario where CPL as a league folds and some of the stronger clubs like Cavalry are still going, that's a different story and who knows what will really happen there.

As for pro/rel, given the nature of each league's business model where clubs pay expansion fees for the right to a team, it's a concept that likely will never happen. Even more so in the US where the newer clubs are paying hundreds of millions just to have a club. The Canadian game is starting to go down that path as well with new clubs paying 8 figure expansion fees and amateur clubs declaring a desire to get a CPL club.

shermanator · 01-21-2022, 02:31 PM

As for Kah, in an interview today he mentioned that he's always wanted to live and retire in Texas, and this opportunity to mentor players from a reserve team to the MLS side was too good to pass up. So it sounds like a very personal decision that happened to fall into place as opposed to the level being better or the pay being better or things like that...

https://twitter.com/CPLsoccer/status...61553097695235

shermanator · 01-21-2022, 03:20 PM

Okay, we have roster news...

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Returning are Marco Carducci (CAN), Tyson Farago (CAN), Tom Field (GBR), David Norman Jr. (CAN), Elliot Simmons (CAN), Elijah Adekugbe (CAN), Joe Mason (GBR), Joe Di Chiara (CAN), Ali Musse (CAN), Sergio Camargo (CAN), and Anthony Novak (CAN).

This group, including guys that have been here since day 1, have quality and character that give us a great platform to build on as we finalize our other ongoing negotiations.

There are 5 players missing from this list that Tommy told me were re-signing, including Loturi who was announced at our last supporters night. So maybe these are the players who were already signed for 2022 and the new contracts will be announced separately.

Ozy_Flame · 01-21-2022, 03:24 PM

I hope Escalante is coming back. Any news on him?

The Big Chill · 01-21-2022, 03:24 PM

So we have enough for a starting 11, but Farago will have to play defence.

Slava · 01-21-2022, 04:09 PM

Couple of those could’ve left and I would’ve been OK with that. I’m glad to see we have some solid players to build around though.

Muta · 01-21-2022, 04:16 PM

Love to see that core return! Awesome news! Only person missing is Klomp, haha. Except Di Chiara... he can go play somewhere else.

As well, in regards to Sherm's posts above... I absolutely love the Cavs, and I love the CPL. That said, if this league doesn't succeed in the long-term for whatever reason, and the stronger clubs aren't the issue - I would have no problem with this team and organization having other pro league / MLS aspirations one day. I know for a fact the CSEC was interested in having an MLS tenant in their west village sports district concept at one time. I think with the right facility and the right growth of the game across Calgary and Canada in the next 10-15 years, it could be a possibility.

cheevers · 01-21-2022, 04:37 PM

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Love to see that core return! Awesome news! Only person missing is Klomp, haha. Except Di Chiara... he can go play somewhere else.

As well, in regards to Sherm's posts above... I absolutely love the Cavs, and I love the CPL. That said, if this league doesn't succeed in the long-term for whatever reason, and the stronger clubs aren't the issue - I would have no problem with this team and organization having other pro league / MLS aspirations one day. I know for a fact the CSEC was interested in having an MLS tenant in their west village sports district concept at one time. I think with the right facility and the right growth of the game across Calgary and Canada in the next 10-15 years, it could be a possibility.

I feel like the MLS is just such a non-entity to us. Even if we were desperate to join, they already have what, 30ish teams, and a few more coming (St. Louis maybe?). How big would you expect that league to get, the biggest leagues in North America are 32 teams, it can only have so many teams. I don't think Calgary would be anywhere near the list to get a team ever.

M*A*S*H 4077 · 01-21-2022, 10:01 PM

Hope Escalante and Klomp are back, otherwise that’s a decent foundation. Really hope Field can stay healthy next year. I liked what I saw from him in limited minutes and we desperately need more lefties

Bill Bumface · 01-23-2022, 09:41 PM

I'm glad to see Mason back. His injury derailed a very bright start. Hopefully he can recapture his form.

ditty · 01-24-2022, 12:11 AM

Twitter rumour that Cavalry are signing 24 year old New Zealand striker Myer Bevan from Auckland City of the NZ first tier. He has six caps for New Zealand and has previous experience in NA with Whitecaps 2. He also holds Canadian citizenship through his parents.

https://twitter.com/pineynz/status/1...447422464?s=20