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Old 05-28-2023, 01:18 PM   #10401
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Old 05-28-2023, 03:31 PM   #10402
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Exactly. Two parties that are completely beholden to their corporate backers.

The whole system is setup to help the ultra wealthy get more ultra wealthy. They do this by getting the plebs to see other groups of plebs as the enemy, distracting them from the fact that the ultra wealthy are exploiting them.
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Old 05-28-2023, 05:57 PM   #10404
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I'd like to see that old man try to identify a bicycle.
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Really good video that lays out how the Americans in many ways put themselves down the path to the de-dollarization that is moving ahead now.

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Old 05-29-2023, 09:04 AM   #10407
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Why would China even want to do that and devalue it's export advantage. Heck even the Chinese people don't want to hold Yuan, they want CDN/USD. They come to Canada and the US to hide their USD in million dollar properties.
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Old 05-29-2023, 10:14 AM   #10408
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Why would China even want to do that and devalue it's export advantage. Heck even the Chinese people don't want to hold Yuan, they want CDN/USD. They come to Canada and the US to hide their USD in million dollar properties.
To safeguard themselves from financial/economic ruin when there's only one path in the world to take. Unilateral sanctions applied by the shining beacon of democracy and freedom is only good for the 30% ish of the world's population. The majority of the world has seen enough evidence based on history that it's not a good idea, as you just never know when things turn, and so, support the other option that is now available.
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Old 05-31-2023, 08:34 PM   #10409
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House passes the debt ceiling deal 314 to 117. 165 Dems voted yes to 46 no, while among Republicans it was 149 yes to 71 no, 3 absent each.

I would think that if McCarthy survived this far it's not going to be in trouble after.
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Old 05-31-2023, 09:04 PM   #10410
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House passes the debt ceiling deal 314 to 117. 165 Dems voted yes to 46 no, while among Republicans it was 149 yes to 71 no, 3 absent each.

I would think that if McCarthy survived this far it's not going to be in trouble after.
Finally a win for the centrist moderates! We don't get much to celecbrate these days.

I don't understand your last sentence.
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Old 05-31-2023, 09:13 PM   #10411
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So we put our hands up like the ceiling can't hold us
Like the ceiling can't hold us
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I meant I just thought that if the Freedom Caucus was actually serious about stopping the deal and booting McCarthy they'd do it before there was a vote on the deal.

The deal McCarthy made to get the votes to be speaker included changing the rules so that only one member of Congress is needed to bring a motion to vacate which would force a vote on McCarthy being speaker.

If they really wanted to do it and sink the deal they missed their chance, so I don't think they'll force a vote on McCarthy's speakership now after the fact. Everyone will just say how bad the deal is and fundraise off of it.
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Old 05-31-2023, 11:16 PM   #10413
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House passes the debt ceiling deal 314 to 117. 165 Dems voted yes to 46 no, while among Republicans it was 149 yes to 71 no, 3 absent each.

I would think that if McCarthy survived this far it's not going to be in trouble after.
I find it funny that they have legislation limiting the amount of debt they can occur then after burning through taxpayer money the just raise the limit every couple of years.

Why even pretend to have any fiscal responsibility?
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Why would China even want to do that and devalue it's export advantage. Heck even the Chinese people don't want to hold Yuan, they want CDN/USD. They come to Canada and the US to hide their USD in million dollar properties.
For geo political power.
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I find it funny that they have legislation limiting the amount of debt they can occur then after burning through taxpayer money the just raise the limit every couple of years.

Why even pretend to have any fiscal responsibility?
It's basically having one law that requires the executive to spend $1000 on the credit card, then another law that prevents paying the credit card company.

Contradictory laws shouldn't be left unresolved, but it's a useful political football and basically another opportunity to "negotiate" spending (by some broad definition of negotiate). Raising the debt ceiling or not depending on if the president is of the same political party or not just shows it's got nothing to do with fiscal responsibility.
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Old 06-01-2023, 11:03 AM   #10416
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I see that Kari Fake is saying she’ll launch another appeal against a stolen election. I thought she’d taken this as far as possible in the courts. It looks like she’ll persist until her idiot supporters’ money runs out.
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Old 06-01-2023, 11:22 AM   #10417
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Finally a win for the centrist moderates! We don't get much to celecbrate these days.

I don't understand your last sentence.
Yep, a classic centrist bill that screws over the poor and working class by freezing spending on social safety nets, while not placing any limits on defense-spending is terrific news for Americans.

Great job as usual, centrists!
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Yep, a classic centrist bill that screws over the poor and working class by freezing spending on social safety nets, while not placing any limits on defense-spending is terrific news for Americans.

Great job as usual, centrists!
When the alternative is letting the freedom caucus shut down the government and have a catastrophic default that hurts everyone, then yeah it is good news. The fringe right and left think the world is already burning, so don't mind if it completely blows up. I don't see it that way. There is still lots to enjoy in life for most people. Unfortunately the republicans control the house, so they are going to get some concessions. The democrats working with the more moderate republicans has almost completely neutered the far right freedom caucus, and that is a positive development.
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Yep, a classic centrist bill that screws over the poor and working class by freezing spending on social safety nets, while not placing any limits on defense-spending is terrific news for Americans.

Great job as usual, centrists!
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Let's breakdown this nonsense line by line.

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When the alternative is letting the freedom caucus shut down the government and have a catastrophic default that hurts everyone, then yeah it is good news.
This wasn't the only alternative. Biden could have attempted to use the 14th amendment.

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Always love drawing an equivalence between people who want to reduce inequality in the world and literal Nazis. No historical precedent of anything bad happening when centrists do that.

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think the world is already burning
It is. Literally.

https://www.theweathernetwork.com/en...year-on-record

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so don't mind if it completely blows up.
Strawman fallacy.

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I don't see it that way.
Sounds like your view from the suburbs might not be great.

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There is still lots to enjoy in life for most people.
If you're wealthy and able-bodied enough, yes.

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Unfortunately the republicans control the house, so they are going to get some concessions.
Weird that the Democrats also had to give concessions when they controlled the House. Also weird that they never force Republicans into concessions.

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The democrats working with the more moderate republicans has almost completely neutered the far right freedom caucus, and that is a positive development.
No, they haven't. They caved to the threat of the freedom caucus, and now millions of Americans will suffer as a result.

Also, imagine thinking "no net new discretionary spending" is a "moderate" position, regardless if it's Democrat or Republican.
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