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[2Stonedbirds]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Yeah, this isn't a good look.

This is two seperate sets of docs now.

Rules surrounding classification powers for VPs are quite unclear.

Safe bet is to probably have the FBI raid his properties, in a public show of force.

[activeStick]

Yup. If you don't see the difference between discovering and then notifying the appropriate channels of said discovery, then I don't know what to say. It's still bad that classified documents are seemingly being handled so irresponsibly, but actively hiding such documents and the full load not being discovered until a raid by the FBI is very different from this.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

This is two seperate sets of docs now.

Rules surrounding classification powers for VPs are quite unclear.

Safe bet is to probably have the FBI raid his properties, in a public show of force.

Currently Biden and his team are cooperating, so what's the sense in a raid? If he becomes uncooperative or Archives finds evidence they're withholding then of course there should be a raid.

What kind of moron would you have to be to disagree with that? It's not like Biden is my friend or some demi-god I blindly support as though I'm an unthinking fool. If he's fataing around with classified documents and intentionally withholding them from the proper chain then everything should be done to retrieve the documents.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

This is two seperate sets of docs now.

Rules surrounding classification powers for VPs are quite unclear.

Safe bet is to probably have the FBI raid his properties, in a public show of force.

First you'd have to follow the same procedure as Trump, if you want to really compare both sides. So Biden would have to ignore a subpoena before the raid. Here's some reading for you, since you clearly have some facts confused.

https://apnews.com/article/biden-cla...c1c5e227b1da53

Unrelated question, why are you carrying water for Trump?

[Monahammer]

If Biden treated top secret documents incorrectly, he should be punished. There's still a huge if there. I don't see anything wrong with that statement at all.

Trump most certainly mistreated top secret documents. He should also be punished. I personally think that he is most deserving of the punishment codified for the treason he committed.

[2Stonedbirds]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Currently Biden and his team are cooperating, so what's the sense in a raid? If he becomes uncooperative or Archives finds evidence they're withholding then of course there should be a raid.

What kind of moron would you have to be to disagree with that? It's not like Biden is my friend. If he's fataing around with classified documents and intentionally withholding them from the proper chain then everything should be done to retrieve the documents.

The Penn Biden Center didn't open until 2018, so these docs have been moved.
So they've been improperly stored and/or forgotten about, found, then moved at least once, then found and "intentions are pure in doing the right thing".

As Biden said in his 60 Minutes interview re Trump hoarding TS docs, it's totally irresponsible and dangerous.

Rules around VPs even possessing such docs are muddied, so yeah this is a bad look.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by devo22

The staff of one president has actively looked for these things and contacted the National Archive themselves when they found some. The other president repeatedly ignored the National Archive's requests to turn everything over and kept them in his holiday ressort because he felt they belonged to him.

so obviously, both sides bla bla bla.

It doesn't have to be "Trump bad" to still be considered bad. You guys know that, right?

[2Stonedbirds]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

First you'd have to follow the same procedure as Trump, if you want to really compare both sides. So Biden would have to ignore a subpoena before the raid. Here's some reading for you, since you clearly have some facts confused.

https://apnews.com/article/biden-cla...c1c5e227b1da53

Unrelated question, why are you carrying water for Trump?

When did you stop beating your wife?

Christ, man.

If Trump ####ed up, he should bear the repercussions. But this isn't about Trump now is it?

Insufferable.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

When did you stop beating your wife?

Christ, man.

If Trump ####ed up, he should bear the repercussions. But this isn't about Trump now is it?

Insufferable.

Why are you comparing the two as if there is some equivalency? The only similarity is that they both had classified documents that should have been turned over. Everything else about how they handled it was different.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by rubecube

It doesn't have to be "Trump bad" to still be considered bad. You guys know that, right?

oh, I don't deny that this is bad. Just pointing out there's obvious differences in how the two sides have handled this. Not that that's going to matter in the public discourse, obviously. Idiots like Hawley are already having a field day with this and I have no doubt that both incidents will be painted with a similar brush going forward.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

This is two seperate sets of docs now.

Rules surrounding classification powers for VPs are quite unclear.

Safe bet is to probably have the FBI raid his properties, in a public show of force.

Here's the dead giveaway, if anyone is wondering...

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

The Penn Biden Center didn't open until 2018, so these docs have been moved.
So they've been improperly stored and/or forgotten about, found, then moved at least once, then found and "intentions are pure in doing the right thing".

As Biden said in his 60 Minutes interview re Trump hoarding TS docs, it's totally irresponsible and dangerous.

Rules around VPs even possessing such docs are muddied, so yeah this is a bad look.

Correct, it's a bad look. And you're not wrong for introducing it into the thread. I imagine some Democrats will support him no matter what, but I think you may be surprised that what most of us left leaners expected out of Trump we will also expect out of Biden. Those expectations are operating in good faith and cooperating with the government to ensure the security of documents. Trump failed there. So far Biden seems to be cooperating exactly how you'd expect.

I think it's a bit early to be calling for an FBI raid, though. Were you just looking for some retaliation for the raid on Trump in spite of the different set of circumstances?

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by devo22

oh, I don't deny that this is bad. Just pointing out there's obvious differences in how the two sides have handled this. Not that that's going to matter in the public discourse, obviously. Idiots like Hawley are already having a field day with this and I have no doubt that both incidents will be painted with a similar brush going forward.

Oh 100%. The right loves to play false equivalence with this stuff. That said, it makes liberals look like partisan hacks when they play the "Yeah, but Trump was worse" card.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Oh 100%. The right loves to play false equivalence with this stuff. That said, it makes liberals look like partisan hacks when they play the "Yeah, but Trump was worse" card.

I kinda feel like we're all saying if he did something bad he should face the consequences. Why the #### would we try to defend a politician from another country if he broke that country's rules lol?

[2Stonedbirds]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Correct, it's a bad look. And you're not wrong for introducing it into the thread. I imagine some Democrats will support him no matter what, but I think you may be surprised that what most of us left leaners expected out of Trump we will also expect out of Biden. Those expectations are operating in good faith and cooperating with the government to ensure the security of documents. Trump failed there. So far Biden seems to be cooperating exactly how you'd expect.

I think it's a bit early to be calling for an FBI raid, though. Were you just looking for some retaliation for the raid on Trump in spite of the different set of circumstances?

Sarcastic jokes are easily missed online.

The real interesting part here would be proving good faith since they have been moved, and it's unclear if he should even have them in the first place.
Not sure how good faith excuses any of this regardless.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Sliver

I kinda feel like we're all saying if he did something bad he should face the consequences. Why the #### would we try to defend a politician from another country if he broke that country's rules lol?

The first post I quoted went straight to the "Whatabout Trump" well, but devo clarified in a subsequent post.

[Dion]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1613283488416911365

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

Sarcastic jokes are easily missed online.

The real interesting part here would be proving good faith since they have been moved, and it's unclear if he should even have them in the first place.
Not sure how good faith excuses any of this regardless.

Ah fair enough. American politics are endlessly interesting, that's for sure. This'll be a fun one to keep an eye on. I'm guessing it won't amount to much or anything nefarious, but hopefully eventually we get full clarity on it.

[Delthefunky]

Originally Posted by Dion

https://twitter.com/user/status/1613283488416911365

That kind of theater is exactly what's wrong with journalism these days.

[2Stonedbirds]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Ah fair enough. American politics are endlessly interesting, that's for sure. This'll be a fun one to keep an eye on. I'm guessing it won't amount to much or anything nefarious, but hopefully eventually we get full clarity on it.

I'm guessing regardless of any wrongdoing or otherwise, a big show will be made for maybe a week or so, then some celebrity will go on Alex Jones and say some crazy #### or something.

-the news cycle has been cleansed-