12 Teens and Soccer Coach Found Alive After 9 Days

[activeStick]

I was following the story the last while and I'm completely shocked they've been found alive after going missing for 9 days after leaving for a hike. Not out of the clear yet though as the divers that found them are saying they might need them to dive back and out to safety and they're all extremely dehydrated, hungry and weak.

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/...cue/index.html

[CaptainCrunch]

Great great news, I expected the worst from that story.

[DownInFlames]

It's amazing that they were found alive. Hopefully they can be pulled out safely.

[Amethyst]

Wow, I am shocked to hear this. I hope they all survive.

[direwolf]

Nice to hear some good news after all the horrible news we've been inundated with lately. Hopefully they can all make it out safely.

[Dion]

Good to hear they were all found safe. Hopefully they all make it out and are reunited with their families.

I expect there's a movie director who try to make a blockbuster movie from this.

[Snuffleupagus]

Some nice news for a change in a world full of bad news

[Playfair]

Thai boys 'could be in cave for months' -http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-44692813

The boys trapped in a Thai cave will have to learn to dive or wait months for flooding to recede, the country's army says.

Rescue operations are battling with rising water and are currently bringing in food and medical supplies.

The 12 boys and their football coach had been missing for nine days before they were found by divers on Monday.

[leah12]

Even I'm a better soccer coach than this guy.

[calgarybornnraised]

Originally Posted by leah12

Even I'm a better soccer coach than this guy.

Is this supposed to be funny?

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

I don't understand why it would take months to get them out. How long a dive in is it? Because strap a regulator to a kid's mouth and drag him out. All he has to do is breathe. Has there been some further explanation for this?

[Resolute 14]

The story I read said they would have to learn how to dive or be stuck for months until the water receded. So presumably they can pull them out sooner, but the kids need to play an active part in their own rescue.

[habernac]

Originally Posted by calgarybornnraised

Is this supposed to be funny?

Lighten up, Francis.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

I don't understand why it would take months to get them out. How long a dive in is it? Because strap a regulator to a kid's mouth and drag him out. All he has to do is breathe. Has there been some further explanation for this?

From what I've read, it's a dive that would take trained Navy SEALS 6 hours to complete. It requires going through small passages that would require them to remove their tanks from their backs to get through in extremely visible impairing muddy water that has strong currents at points.

None of the trapped boys or coach can swim. And at this point they have muscle atrophy.

When the trained divers, some of the best in the world, are suggesting it's easier just to pump out the water, it's probably a good sign that the diving is extreme.

However, they have also asked for 15 small facemasks (as the others were too big) so it's clearly not an option they've eliminated.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

The story I read said they would have to learn how to dive or be stuck for months until the water receded. So presumably they can pull them out sooner, but the kids need to play an active part in their own rescue.

But why do they need to learn to dive? These are rescue divers, they ought to be able to pull a limp corpse out of a cave. The kids don't need to learn to frog kick efficiently or read a dive computer, they just need to breathe, presumably. I'm sure visibility is terrible and it's tight quarters in there, but the real question is how long a sustained dive they have to do. If it's a few hundred meters at a time between being able to surface, this shouldn't take that long to accomplish. I assume there's some other factor that isn't being clearly expressed.

Edit: okay, that level of complexity makes more sense. I didn't think it would be THAT tight. I mean, the kids got in there in the first place. Do they need full size tanks? Does a rebreather not do the job here?

[ken0042]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

I mean, the kids got in there in the first place. Do they need full size tanks? Does a rebreather not do the job here?

They walked in, and then the cave flooded. Yes, for that long of a dive they need full sized tanks. And a rebreather that you have seen in movies doesn't necessarily exist in the real world.

Cave diving is one of the most challenging dives. It's tight, murky water and very easy to become disorientated or claustrophobic. Either of those lead to panic and you are as good as dead.

Good reading here: (Better than my explanation)
https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/03/asia/...ntl/index.html

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by ken0042

They walked in, and then the cave flooded. Yes, for that long of a dive they need full sized tanks. And a rebreather that you have seen in movies doesn't necessarily exist in the real world.

Cave diving is one of the most challenging dives. It's tight, murky water and very easy to become disorientated or claustrophobic. Either of those lead to panic and you are as good as dead.

Good reading here: (Better than my explanation)
https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/03/asia/...ntl/index.html

I'm not talking about the rebreather I've "seen in movies", I'm talking about the equipment that experienced divers use. You can get a lot of bottom time out of very small tanks under the right circumstances, particularly at shallow depths. I'm going off of statements like this, which makes it seem like it's totally do-able:

"You don't have to swim to dive. The equipment does the work for you -- you just have to be comfortable ... to overcome that fear and learn. That is what's going to be difficult to teach," Taylor said.

That just makes it sound like they have to be able to breathe through a regulator and not freak out.

I get how it happened with the cave flooding, I'm just surprised that they went into areas that would require a terribly tight squeeze to get into. A lot of it depends if you can do the thing in stages. Are they in one cave pocket, and there are another 5-10 spots to stop and rest between where they are and the exit? Or do you have to do the whole thing in one dive? It'd be neat to see a graphic or diagram of the way out with distances.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

I'm not talking about the rebreather I've "seen in movies", I'm talking about the equipment that experienced divers use. You can get a lot of bottom time out of very small tanks under the right circumstances, particularly at shallow depths. I'm going off of statements like this, which makes it seem like it's totally do-able:

That just makes it sound like they have to be able to breathe through a regulator and not freak out.

I get how it happened with the cave flooding, I'm just surprised that they went into areas that would require a terribly tight squeeze to get into. A lot of it depends if you can do the thing in stages. Are they in one cave pocket, and there are another 5-10 spots to stop and rest between where they are and the exit? Or do you have to do the whole thing in one dive? It'd be neat to see a graphic or diagram of the way out with distances.

To kids who can't swim, trapped in a cave for 9 days with no food/water/light - "Just breathe and don't freak out"

What could go wrong?

[killer_carlson]

I also suspect these kids are in mental shock and not in the best emotional state to learn how to dive.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Basically any solution is a risk at this point, though, isn't it? Leaving them in there with water levels rising doesn't seem like a great idea either, and the longer they're in there the worse their condition becomes.