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Old 07-13-2018, 09:02 AM   #61
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You can't simply compare attendance, you also have to consider average ticket prices. And Florida's are among the lowest in the league, while Winnipeg's are in the top 10 (depending on calculation method)
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Old 07-13-2018, 12:32 PM   #62
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Remember that with Hossa on LTIR, it doesn't affect Chicago's cap situation in the same way than if he was healthy and just playing poorly. Therefore, the cost of dumping the contract was actually quite minimal.

If Hossa announces his retirement, as is likely now, Chicago gets out from under the extra three years of the half cap penalty. LTIR was not going to be a perpetual option.
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If Hossa announces his retirement, as is likely now, Chicago gets out from under the extra three years of the half cap penalty. LTIR was not going to be a perpetual option.
Why would he choose to retire? Wouldn't that mean he doesn't get the remaining $ on his contract, but if he stays LTIR he does?
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Old 07-13-2018, 12:50 PM   #64
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Also is Hossa retires doesn't Chicago get stuck with the recapture bill?
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Old 07-13-2018, 12:54 PM   #65
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I'm I the only one that felt Arizona should have gotten a way better prospect or a 1st round pick instead of a 3rd round pick? This helps Chicago out for 3 years. Not a lot of teams could take this on considering some use all the cap money and some have internal caps.
AZ would've been happy just getting Hinostroza. Everything else is icing. The Yotes lose nothing on this deal really
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Old 07-13-2018, 12:54 PM   #66
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Everything went right for them. I don’t see that happening the same way every time. But they should be given a competitive team.

The league is very even these days, the smallest things can make or break your season. It’s not an exact science.

As for “the fans don’t deserve it”.... sorry but this just sounds petty.
Especially consider more people showed up for Vegas' intro ceremony than have ever watched a Panthers game live.

The Panthers f'd up by firing Gallant and letting the expansion team pick them apart by not playing the game right. It's not Vegas' fault.
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If Hossa announces his retirement, as is likely now, Chicago gets out from under the extra three years of the half cap penalty. LTIR was not going to be a perpetual option.
If Hossa announces his retirement, Chicago gets all sorts of recapture penalties and Hossa does not get paid what he is owed.

LTIR is a perpetual option as long as he's injured. Like Pronger.
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Why would he choose to retire? Wouldn't that mean he doesn't get the remaining $ on his contract, but if he stays LTIR he does?
Correct, Hossa will not retire, he has said as much.
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Also is Hossa retires doesn't Chicago get stuck with the recapture bill?
They sure do.
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Yeah, googling recapture there was an article on how the Preds can just be decimated if Weber retires early. If he retired a year early the preds could be on the hook for 24M as a recapture penalty. It all has to do with how much you benefited from the contract and since Weber's was so heavily front loaded, it could be a mess. Hossa will for sure stay on LTIR.
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I think Hinostroza has big potential to pop this year with a greater role. Him and Keller I see as a pairing going forward and that just increases the potential for Vinnie to really take a step forward. 25 points in 50 games this year in a middle 6 role so to jump into bigger situations could prove big for his growth.
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Yeah, googling recapture there was an article on how the Preds can just be decimated if Weber retires early. If he retired a year early the preds could be on the hook for 24M as a recapture penalty. It all has to do with how much you benefited from the contract and since Weber's was so heavily front loaded, it could be a mess. Hossa will for sure stay on LTIR.
0% chance the league collects on that if Weber retires.
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Old 07-14-2018, 08:48 AM   #73
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I may be the only one who simply doesn’t care about other markets doing well.

What does it mean for me, as a Flames fan, if Arizona or Carolina become stronger organizations? It means more demand with fixed ticket supply, which means higher prices, which means higher revenues and cap, which means it continues to get harder as a fan to afford NHL hockey.

We have already seen this in Calgary after watching the cap go from $39MM USD in 2005 to now what- $80MM USD this year? And ticket prices and the in game experience have continued to climb. It simply leads to millionaires getting more millions and franchise equity growing more in hundreds of millions to billionaire owners. Yay?

Why do we care about this? Who gives a rats ass if Joe Blow in Arizona goes to a game or likes it. Calgary will always be more of a passionate market, more of a dedicated market, but we aren’t as big of a market. Meaning we have less people on average that will have the kind of long-term incomes to support continued revenue growth for the NHL. Look at the arena debate, it ties into all of this. Now we need a new arena to stay competitive and seriously have issues as a city debating whether or not we can or want to afford subsidizing the owners.

So we subsidize the cost of arena, get higher prices and continue to prop up the Arizona’s of the world through revenue sharing while things continue to get unaffordable? No thanks. I’m okay if Arizona and Florida don’t fill their building. Need more money in revenue sharing, and make it tougher for the NHL to continue growth. The players and owners don’t need more money.
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