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Old 02-15-2020, 02:00 PM   #61
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I just don't want inaction any longer.

Acquiring Martinez probably means Hanifin gets moved in the off-season?
I hope not, given the age difference. Hanifin hasnít hit the age where most defenseman peak, where as Martinez has reached the point that a downturn is likely soon.
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Old 02-15-2020, 02:04 PM   #62
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I reckon if they are looking at Martinez then one of Giordano or Hamonic may be out longer than they are letting on.
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Old 02-15-2020, 02:05 PM   #63
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I hope not, given the age difference. Hanifin hasnít hit the age where most defenseman peak, where as Martinez has reached the point that a downturn is likely soon.
Hanifin hasn't hit the age where most defensemen are in the NHL yet.
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Old 02-15-2020, 02:57 PM   #64
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Hanifin is in his 5th full NHL season and is nearing 400 NHL games played.

Sure he can still grow, but I wouldn't expect to him to suddenly blossom into a Norris contender or anything.
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Old 02-15-2020, 03:03 PM   #65
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I trade Hanafin all day every day for a top 6 forward with term. I think the Flames can survive without him and he has enough upside and skill for other teams to give up a very good young player in return.
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Hanifin is in his 5th full NHL season and is nearing 400 NHL games played.

Sure he can still grow, but I wouldn't expect to him to suddenly blossom into a Norris contender or anything.
Maybe not, but that is a pretty high bar that very few reach.

I think his odds of being a premiere player for a few years are decent enough though.
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Old 02-15-2020, 04:04 PM   #67
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It's reasonable to ask whether it's the best plan to have 4 pre-apex D-men (3 LHD) with a forward core built to win now, both for their individual development, and team success.

In a perfect world, I'd love to swap Gaudreau and one of the LD's for a younger RHS RW, and a more established RD beginning his prime (25-28 yo).

Dumba or Montour might be accessible by trade (though if Hanifin is going out, it would be nice to bring back another bigger body like Manson/Parayko...Gudbranson or Connor Murphy as cheaper alternatives). Seth Jones is the pipe dream...though I wonder if CBJ would consider Gaudreau+Brodie before the deadline (maybe we get Stenlund or Bemstrom, too).
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Hanifin is in his 5th full NHL season and is nearing 400 NHL games played.

Sure he can still grow, but I wouldn't expect to him to suddenly blossom into a Norris contender or anything.
People made the same argument about how Lindholm was clearly just a 40 point forward when we acquired him.

Development isnít always linear, it doesnít always stop after a certain point. Players can make huge strides in their games in their mid 20ís. Thereís endless examples of it.
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People made the same argument about how Lindholm was clearly just a 40 point forward when we acquired him.

Development isn’t always linear, it doesn’t always stop after a certain point. Players can make huge strides in their games in their mid 20’s. There’s endless examples of it.

Yes I know its possible, I even said that in the post you quoted.

Hopefully he makes huge improvements.
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