[PGT] Oilers 5 - Flames 3 - EDM leads 3 -1

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by nieuwy-89

Crushing defeat. Just crushing.

I stick by my post that the Game 2 SHG is the one that killed us. Score on that PP and we probably have a 2-2 series coming home for Game 5. PP failure has been a major story line for the Flames.

Watched tonight from a sports bar in downtown Toronto. More Flames fans than Oilers fans for sure. Even the CN Tower was lit red and yellow tonight. Felt like everything was in the Flames favour, til they found a way to lose.

Wow. Wonder who got the CN Tower lit up in Flames colors, that’s awesome.

[djsFlames]

You have to figure out a way to take game 5, but if you do, there's a ####ton of pressure on Edmonton at home to close it out.

If Smith choked tonight under rather light/easy circumstances, you have to imagine what he'd be like with the weight of needing to close it out looming and the Flames pushing for that 7th game back at home.

One shift, period, and game at a time.

Just play the right way. The last two periods were just fine. Outscored them 3-2 (essentially 3-1). Keep that going and it will lead to success.

[Meers]

It ain't over. This is the Oilers remember. The tears of Edmonton fans will just be that much sweeter when they lose three straight elimination games.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Nothing but respect and no questions to ask. The shtick grows old. If someone’s digging a little deeper into Markstrom on a game by game or goal by goal basis, “but GAA lol” is weak and tiresome.

You’re better than that, right? Beat a new drum.

I don’t fully understand this post, but in case you don’t know, I believe I pissed off Bingo one night in March 3 years ago by itemizing goals in a 6-3 loss in context, where I argued that sv% doesn’t tell the whole story and looking, goal by goal as to how stoppable it is, trumps high level stats any and every day

It’s been a consistent view of mine

But when it’s 5 games in a row, at some point statistical abnormalities must be reevaluated too, right?

That’s how statistics / confidence intervals etc. work

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by sa226

A team has already done it this playoffs (granted the turning point was a huge one) and Sutter has done it before, so it's not completely out of tbe realm of possibility.

Statistically it can happen 2 times in the playoffs. 3 teams did it in 1992 and 2 teams did it in 2003. Statistics show its an absolute inomoly for it to happen. The 5 stages of grief playing out . First is denial. I went through all 5 in game 3 . I'd be more than happy to be proven wrong but history does repeat itself.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Statistics just tell you probabilities

Actual events create data points that get lumped in to the statistics and update the probabilities

[CGY12]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Yeah the Flames were all over the Oilers after that goal...Oilers got one chance and the Flames player at the net made a terrible mistake.

We must have been watching a different game because despite having some zone time, they didn't generate to much quality after that. I also felt like the Flames got very little on net, lots of perimeter play, blocked shots, missed nets. They also seem to be really having trouble gaining body position in front of the net, little to no secondary bounces/tap ins, cause they are being boxed out very well. They need to find a way in that moment when you know a goalie is shook, but it didn't seem to materialize in any meaningful way.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Flames are actually the underdogs now, everyone thinks it's over. A game 5 win could put some pressure on the Oilers. They have beat them 3 straight once this year already.

Well.. in 2019 we beat the Avalanche for basically 5 seasons and all the games in 2019 but still lost 4-1 in the playoffs....

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Statistics just tell you probabilities

Actual events create data points that get lumped in to the statistics and update the probabilities

Someone flipped a coin a million times and it was 50/50. But I flipped one and lost 3/4 times. Therefore my coin is unclutch and put together poorly. I’ll trade it.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Statistics just tell you probabilities

Actual events create data points that get lumped in to the statistics and update the probabilities

Appreciate the upbeat thoughts but science usually wins out.

[djsFlames]

Sutter has come back from worse than this before.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Sutter has come back from worse than this before.

Wouldn't count on that tho . 2014 kings were 1 of 4 teams to have ever pulled it off since 1942.

[Philly06Cup]

Originally Posted by DiracSpike

I had a great time this season, it was fun. Went to a bunch of games, saw a lot of wins, went to my second ever playoff game and first one I remember, watched a lot of meaningful hockey with my dad...it was great. The payoff of being a fan is always worth the "heartbreak" that's not really true heartbreak, it should be an easy balance to strike for any well-adjusted adult. Even if the Flames win the cup it changes my life 0%, the value-add is having a hometown team that adds to the entertainment of my life. That's like 95% of my mindset around being a fan, but yeah the other 5 would be evaluating realistically how the franchise performs, what i think they should do, how i'd handle the roster, etc. So in that vein, I guess I am disappointed by their playoff performance for yet another year because, well, how could you not. By any objective measure its not good. And the fact that that this is unfortunately tied for the best season in 18 years doesnt make it any less disappointing. If anything i think the people that weirdly insist on "positivity" in the face of well, reality, are the ones who maybe take things a little too seriously and personally.

Positive people are the worst!

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Someone flipped a coin a million times and it was 50/50. But I flipped one and lost 3/4 times. Therefore my coin is unclutch and put together poorly. I’ll trade it.

Sorry you got a bum coin!

(19 times out of 20)

[dino7c]

They gotta win game 5...if they do they have a chance to force game 7 at home

[Manhattanboy]

Could have used some Bread, Coleman and Toffolli magic tonight.

And Chucky and Gaudreau.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by dino7c

They gotta win game 5...if they do they have a chance to force game 7 at home

Yup that’s about all now.

[Itse]

When I saw Markström was playing, I decided there's no point in waking up early to watch us lose again.

I don't get what Sutter is doing there. Markström has been terrible this series, and the signs were already there in regular season games against the Oilers.

With .900 goaltending we'd up up 3-1 instead of down, and we do have another goalie who could take a crack at it. With the way Markström has been playing, we're lucky the Oilers weren't ready to start game 1 or we'd already be swept.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by Itse

When I saw Markström was playing, I decided there's no point in waking up early to watch us lose again.

I don't get what Sutter is doing there. Markström has been terrible this series, and the signs were already there in regular season games against the Oilers.

With .900 goaltending we'd up up 3-1 instead of down, and we do have another goalie who could take a crack at it. With the way Markström has been playing, we're lucky the Oilers weren't ready to start game 1 or we'd already be swept.

I think the flames felt that markstrom could play out of it. They knew if he didn't that there would be very little chance of winning this series.

If they knew that markstrom would not be the answer them in sure they would have made a different plan. But hindsight is hindsight.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by Looch City

I don't even know anymore with this team.

I think it's just better for my mental health to skip the next game all together and just see the final score.

May as well. No point watching until a game seven is forced.