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Originally Posted by calgaryblood
He has made some good moves but has made it quite clear we are in win now mode and has failed miserably IMO.
Waiving Byron to start when he was a great energy guy and a great PKer whose motor didn't quit.
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Apart from speed Byron didn't really offer much to the Flames during his time here. I liked the guy and thought he filled a role, but that role is one that is easily replaceable in the league. The guy was not a finisher in Calgary, but he managed to get over that hump in Montreal. Didn't really make or break the Canadiens, though.
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Signing Grossman after he had an awful pre season.
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Grossman actually had a pretty average pre-season, and he signed him for depth. Didn't work out as he had hoped, and the experiment was quickly over...almost before it even had a chance to begin.
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Signing Glass when a much better player in Hathaway was on the team already.
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This is where the sarcastic "earned, never given" crowd tend to lose me. Nobody stepped up better in their role during pre-season than Tanner Glass. Personally, I felt it would be best to project long-term over a guy that played his ass off to earn a contract. I would prefer Hathaway to fill that spot, but it's not like Glass floated his way to a deal. Guy earned it.
I'm giving you this one. Even though I thought it was an over-payment, I supported the signing at the time because I thought Brouwer would be the heart & soul playoff difference maker on a perennial contender. Troy has regressed significantly and carries a lengthy anchor of a contract. This is magnified by the fact the Flames seem to be more pretender than contender right now.
To me, this has been Treliving's biggest mistake.
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I like Hamonic and think he has fit in well but he paid a really heavy price to get him. Don't see a huge difference between Hamonic and Engelland. Three quality draft picks is nothing to sneeze at.
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11 games. That's Hamonic's sample size as a Flame. He was highly coveted coming out of New York. Kind of like Hamilton, and we all saw how quickly the knives came out in a small sample size with him. Teams dream of having top 4-5 depth like the Flames do right now. The draft picks are more relative to team performance than the player with this one, which has been a huge issue. And at this point that isn't at Hamonic's feet, who I believe has been as expected.
And just my opinion, but the bolded hyperbole is where people have a disconnect with some of the things you post. Hamonic offers an entirely different dimension on the ice than Engelland, and I think it's been quite noticeable even in the extremely limited sample size.
It took Hamilton 20-25 games to adapt. I think once Hamonic finds his groove it will be better for Brodie and the team as a whole.
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Keeping Stajan in the NHL. He's a great guy and teammate and great in the community but should be either sitting out 90% of the games or should have been put on waivers and bought out.
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This is where it becomes much more complicated than numbers. Stajan is respected in the dressing room and the community. Also, he's an average 4th liner that is being placed in situations he is not fit for. That's on the coach. Who else in the system is better suited to a PROPER 4th line role on this team?
Sending him down doesn't actually make the team better, because you're slotting in a worse player in that role or wasting development on a guy like Jankowski. It doesn't save them much cap space, and I don't think the owners want to pay Stajan his salary to play in Stockton. Buying him out isn't a better option either as they will be paying a ghost for 2 years instead of one.
Treliving is kind of handcuffed with this one, but I think it's more on the coach not doing the right things with the right players.
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I'm sure many more questionable moves are slipping my mind as well but imo he has made more bad moves than good and is extremely overrated in the same way Feaster was early on.
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If you can't think of them they probably aren't as concerning as you're making them out to be. However, I'll give you one...current coaching staff. Jury is still out on this one, but IMO it's not looking good.
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Originally Posted by calgaryblood
Ok, start off with the top 5 things that you think Treliving has done as GM.
If you're so passionate about him doing a fantastic job, this should be easy.
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I'll give it a shot:
1. Hamilton trade. Absolute steal for a guy that is easily a top 2 defenseman, and will be for a long time. He's big, can skate, and puts up points. He has gotten better every year he's played with the flaming C on his chest.
2. Monahan contract. The highest scoring player in his draft year and the #1 center signed to a fair market contract. That's rarer than it should be in this league.
3. Gaudreau contract. Same as above, with a few words switched around.
4. TJ Brodie contract. Actually below value contract for a top 4 defenseman. I believe that Brodie's shortcomings have been overblown this season. He's still doing the things he's always done, just under a different (and struggling) system.
5. Smith trade. I'm hesitant to include this as, again, we've seen him in 10 games so far. Still, the guy has been an MVP caliber player, and he provides excellent compete and goaltending until Gillies or Parsons is ready.
Honorable mentions: Willing to trade Glencross in a competing year and receive good returns. Ryan Huska hire. Revamped drafting philosophy.