For a non gun person perspective I ask: why are these mass shootings being done with AR15s usually? If I was going to do something crazy like this, the 1st thing that comes to mind is how bulky and heavy it would be to carry all that ammo and a big AR15. What advantage do these things offer over pistols/handguns? It would seem to me like handguns would do the same job since you wouldn't expect your targets to be wearing body armour.
There was an FBI analyst on CNN yesterday, and he was saying how the next step really needs to be identifying some of these domestic groups as terrorist organizations and considering this domestic terrorism. It would allow them to charge and potentially jail anyone who is affiliating with these groups. The analyst was insistent that this would be make an impact on people wantonly joining these groups and thinking they are safe from persecution. I tend to agree with this statement, in addition to better gun laws, better mental health strategies, and with an implementation of a program to train citizens on "early warning" alerts.
That said, the downside I see is that a lot of these shooters are posting content that should be flagged earlier. By removing their ability to post (fear of prosecution by association) they may be harder to find the warning signs early.
For a non gun person perspective I ask: why are these mass shootings being done with AR15s usually? If I was going to do something crazy like this, the 1st thing that comes to mind is how bulky and heavy it would be to carry all that ammo and a big AR15. What advantage do these things offer over pistols/handguns? It would seem to me like handguns would do the same job since you wouldn't expect your targets to be wearing body armour.
My guess is just because they're so popular. They're in video games, movies and TV, they've been the weapon of choice of special forces for decades. In the states they're not terribly expensive. People buy fake aimpoint or eotech sites and put them on Airsoft AR15s just to look "tacticool"
My guess is just because they're so popular. They're in video games, movies and TV, they've been the weapon of choice of special forces for decades. In the states they're not terribly expensive. People buy fake aimpoint or eotech sites and put them on Airsoft AR15s just to look cool.
For a non gun person perspective I ask: why are these mass shootings being done with AR15s usually? If I was going to do something crazy like this, the 1st thing that comes to mind is how bulky and heavy it would be to carry all that ammo and a big AR15. What advantage do these things offer over pistols/handguns? It would seem to me like handguns would do the same job since you wouldn't expect your targets to be wearing body armour.
AR-15 is a light weight easy to fire weapon. It his readily available high capacity magazines that are also light weight and cheap. .223 ammo is extremely cheap. The .223 round is high velocity and does significant damage for the round. Most body armor is subject to failure based on the velocity of the round from this platform, so even cops with body armor at risk. Given the mix of lethality, accessibility, and cost, the AR-15 should be the weapon of choice. The AK-47 is in the same class for all the same reasons. This is why these should be controlled weapons IMO.
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For a non gun person perspective I ask: why are these mass shootings being done with AR15s usually? If I was going to do something crazy like this, the 1st thing that comes to mind is how bulky and heavy it would be to carry all that ammo and a big AR15. What advantage do these things offer over pistols/handguns? It would seem to me like handguns would do the same job since you wouldn't expect your targets to be wearing body armour.
Because they're fun to shoot, and if you look at the history of these mass murderers almost all of them have spent extensive time at shooting ranges. They buy an AR-15 because it looks cool and they're cheap and easy to obtain. They spend a lot of time at ranges with their new toy learning how to use it effectively. Then when they finally snap, it's 2nd hand nature for them to strap on the AR-15 and start shooting
As for direct advantages over handguns, muzzle velocity and accuracy. If you get shot in the chest with a glock, chances are it misses your vital organs and you can recover in the hospital. If you get shot with an AR-15, the bullet does so much more damage due to the velocity that your chances of bleeding out before getting medical help rise drastically. Using an AR-15 over a handgun guarantees a higher body count, which is what these psychos are after
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Well. The AR 15 sounds absolutely terrifying to be shot with.
I would think being shot with any weapon is kind of terrifying. Which is kind of the point. It doesn't matter what guns they use, if they are accessible, they will be used to kill people. Arguing over suppressors, and bump stocks and magazine capacity is all just a smokescreen. All guns can kill people, having them so easy to own is the problem. America needs to figure that out.
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For a non gun person perspective I ask: why are these mass shootings being done with AR15s usually? If I was going to do something crazy like this, the 1st thing that comes to mind is how bulky and heavy it would be to carry all that ammo and a big AR15. What advantage do these things offer over pistols/handguns? It would seem to me like handguns would do the same job since you wouldn't expect your targets to be wearing body armour.
Stopping Power.
The AR-15 can deliver stopping power on these types of environments. As mentioned you can get hit with a pistol and continue to move/escape. Also, a .556 round will travel through this that a pistol round will not.
It is a well made weapon that is very good at the job for which it was designed.
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I have a feeling that the US has been wiped off a lot of folks travel destinations. My wife and I scrapped plans to go to various places there. The only 2 US States we'd think about going to now are the two that aren't attached to the other 48.
I won’t even transit in the US these days. It just isn’t worth the crap and I’d rather spend my money elsewhere.
As opposed to any other gun that's also cheap and easy to shoot? Not sure any of those are fun to be shot by either
That's the problem, uncertainty. We can solve that, though. I'd be willing to take a bunch of different guns and shoot Whitout403 to see which ones scare him the most. For science, of course.
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That's the problem, uncertainty. We can solve that, though. I'd be willing to take a bunch of different guns and shoot Whitout403 to see which ones scare him the most. For science, of course.
You can use mine!
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The m-16 has a full auto selector as well as a 3 round burst selection, wheras the AR-15 has a single shot and semi-auto selector.
The AR-15 is rated at 23 rounds per minute in semi-auto mode, has a errective firing range of 600 yards.
The M-16 is rated at up to 60 rounds per minute in semi automatic mode and about 700 rounds per minute in full auto. Its effective firing range is up to 800 yards.
This can't be right, I emptied 29 rounds in about 20 seconds with a Savage(AR-15 style) rifle a couple of years ago in Vegas, the thing was light as a feather and very easy to shoot. I'm sure someone more use to it could get off far more as it fired as fast as I could pull the trigger. and didn't the Dayton shooter fire over 60 rounds in under 30 seconds?
This can't be right, I emptied 29 rounds in about 20 seconds with a Savage(AR-15 style) rifle a couple of years ago in Vegas, the thing was light as a feather and very easy to shoot. I'm sure someone more use to it could get off far more as it fired as fast as I could pull the trigger. and didn't the Dayton shooter fire over 60 rounds in under 30 seconds?
I can't speak to the validity of this site, but they quote the manual:
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According to the Bushmaster AR-15 manual, the firearm has a maximum effective rate of 45 rounds per minute — a far cry from the number touted by Tribe. Competitive shooters can fire at a maximum of three shots per second.
Full auto isn't a useful mode of effective fire. Semi-auto is where all the killing takes places. It allows you to put rounds on target and keep them on target.
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