[Trade] Jets trade Laine (26% retained) and Roslovic to Columbus for PLD and 2022 3rd

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

CP early season, Flames looking good, new faces, etc:
"Don't trade Monahan, he's young, he's put up points, he's clutch, etc etc"

CP after playoffs, Flames fizzled out:
"Monahan needs to go, he is invisible, he isn't physical, he's a regular season player, we'll never go far with him as a core"

Rinse, repeat. Amirite?

Just for the record, I'm just as guilty as most.

Same folks when Bennett doesn't do anything in the regular season again and then plays well in the playoffs - they will be slotting Bennett in the Top 6 because surely he will continue his playoff success and is ready to break out.

If the Jackets want Bennett, there should be no hesitation. The problem is, I doubt the Jackets have any interest in Bennett.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Thats why you build the package around Backlund.

A few things here come to mind after my initial post about dealing Backs in a PLD trade.

1. Gives Bennett a young top 6 player to work with similar to his chemistry with Dube. And thats not to say he doesn't have any chemistry with Backs.

2. Potential for PLD to grow his game in a sheltered deployment and then see what you got before making any long term decisions regarding moving Monahan or pushing Lindy back to RW (unlikely now, him centering that line is literally the best thing going on in the Flames world right now) or any other thing.

I just think that Backlund is the kind of player that Kekalainen and Torts would love to have. Buffer Texier, have Backs work with other young players they have as well. I see the fit.

Backlund’s NTC is the biggest hurdle that I do not think could be worked around. I think Backlund would probably prefer to go to Seattle next year than Columbus. I assume the Flames would add multiple futures to offset the fact Backlund is nearly a decade older?

Too many hurdles but would be great for the Flames if it was a possibility

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Rick M.

So, basically, the list is meaningless.

Yup. Might as well have said that he can confirm the sun came up and will more than likely set later in the evening.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Rick M.

So, basically, the list is meaningless.

Just like most of the “insider“ information.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Backlund turns 32 in March. PLD is 22 years old. That is a huge hit age-wise for Columbus, really doesn't make any sense for them.

They'll want someone like Monahan, which I'm fine with. Yes, he looks good to start the season, yes he's a solid scoring center, yes he's put up some impressive stats over the years in Calgary.

You win in the playoffs. From what I've seen over the years Monahan is not the kind of player to lead your team in the playoffs. If you have a chance at PLD with a deal centered around Monahan you do it, especially with him playing well right now. You don't wait until he crashes and burns in the playoffs again.

[home_sweet_dome]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Thats why you build the package around Backlund.

A few things here come to mind after my initial post about dealing Backs in a PLD trade.

1. Gives Bennett a young top 6 player to work with similar to his chemistry with Dube. And thats not to say he doesn't have any chemistry with Backs.

2. Potential for PLD to grow his game in a sheltered deployment and then see what you got before making any long term decisions regarding moving Monahan or pushing Lindy back to RW (unlikely now, him centering that line is literally the best thing going on in the Flames world right now) or any other thing.

I just think that Backlund is the kind of player that Kekalainen and Torts would love to have. Buffer Texier, have Backs work with other young players they have as well. I see the fit.

You can build your package around Backlund all you want but Columbus can also hang up the phone in less than 5 seconds.

No chance they trade 22 year old PLD with the main piece coming back as a 31 year old Backlund who has a $5.35 million cap hit for the next 4 years.

Zero chance.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

You win in the playoffs. From what I've seen over the years Monahan is not the kind of player to lead your team in the playoffs. If you have a chance at PLD with a deal centered around Monahan you do it, especially with him playing well right now. You don't wait until he crashes and burns in the playoffs again.

I’m just curious, what has Columbus won in the playoffs with PLD that the Flames haven’t with Monahan?

[PegCityFlamesFan]

Hahaha Lebrun sounds like Elklund

[bluejays]

If Winnipeg is in on this then the logical situation probably involves Laine. So the question is how much more is Winnipeg asking for? 1st rounder + PLD for Laine? I don’t think any team can top Laine if they’re looking for an impact player back so at this point if Winnipeg is serious, any other team would have to blow Columbus’ socks off. They’re likely haggling over supplementary assets.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

I’m just curious, what has Columbus won in the playoffs with PLD that the Flames haven’t with Monahan?

His team beat the Presidents trophy winner in a sweep. The Flames won their one series against arguably the worst team to make the playoffs in 2015. Monahan has been in the league 4 more years as well.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

His team beat the Presidents trophy winner in a sweep. The Flames won their one series against arguably the worst team to make the playoffs in 2015. Monahan has been in the league 4 more years as well.

So they’ve each won one playoff round is what you’re saying?

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

His team beat the Presidents trophy winner in a sweep. The Flames won their one series against arguably the worst team to make the playoffs in 2015. Monahan has been in the league 4 more years as well.

pfffft, that's all?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

So they’ve each won one playoff round is what you’re saying?

One person buys a $80,000 truck and another buys a $1,000 beater

So you are saying 2 people bought trucks?

Context is important

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

So they’ve each won one playoff round is what you’re saying?

Well one player has 8 goals in 26 playoff games, the other has 10 in 30. Each has won a playoff round.

If those are the only things that count, I’ll take the guy who is 22 years old.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

CP early season, Flames looking good, new faces, etc:
"Don't trade Monahan, he's young, he's put up points, he's clutch, etc etc"

CP after playoffs, Flames fizzled out:
"Monahan needs to go, he is invisible, he isn't physical, he's a regular season player, we'll never go far with him as a core"

Rinse, repeat. Amirite?

Just for the record, I'm just as guilty as most.

Yup. And changing our opinion on Monahan after he's looked good in a sample size of 3 GAMES, 2 of which were against Vancouver, who's been the weakest team in the North Division so far.

Nothing has changed...if you can get PLD in a package around Monahan, it's a no brainer.

[Vinny01]

Portzline posted his article on the Athletic an hour ago and per his sources the Kings, Rangers, Habs, Jets, Avs are the most likely suitors.

He is on the fan right now

[Poe969]

People making a big deal about PLD mailing it in need to relax. Like we haven't seen Johnny play some uninspired hockey.

[Demetric]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

I’m convinced Tre has a spreadsheet that includes every player in the league and their trade value, and updates it monthly.

daily and hourly around trade deadline and the draft

[Vinny01]

Portzline on the Fan right now is saying that if a trade happens soon it will be for “today” and if they wait for the summer then all bets are off. Textier’s performance up the middle could dictate if they need a center back or not. Also if the Jackets hit the skids they could look for a futures deal.

Near term trade it is a center they need

NHL player, top prospect, pick

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Poe969

People making a big deal about PLD mailing it in need to relax. Like we haven't seen Johnny play some uninspired hockey.

Context is everything.
This comes after a month of it being public he wanted out.

It's not a bad shift on a Tuesday afternoon in Flordia 60 games into the season. Its a visibly lazy shift in the 4th game of a season that is only 56 games, and everygame is direct competition for a playoff spot.

But ultimately you're right, most people have not watched a lot of PLD hockey and have strong opinions whether to trade for him or not.