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Old 06-11-2013, 12:10 PM   #1
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Maybe I should start a "Ongoing Legalize It Thread"

http://www2.macleans.ca/2013/06/10/w...ize-marijuana/

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Sometime this year, if it hasn’t happened already, the millionth Canadian will be arrested for marijuana possession, Dana Larsen estimates.
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Two of the largest one-year increases in police-reported crimes in 2011 were a 40 per cent jump in child pornography cases (3,100 incidents), and a seven per cent hike (to 61,406 arrests) for pot possession. Taken together, all marijuana offences—possession, growing and trafficking—accounted for a record 78,000 arrests in 2011, or 69 per cent of all drug offences. Simple pot possession represented 54 per cent of every drug crime that police managed to uncover. This is more phony war than calamity, waged by a government determined to save us from a cannabis crisis of its own making. To have the minister imply a moral equivalency between child sexual abuse and carrying a couple of joints in your jeans underscores the emotionalism clouding the issue: reason enough to look at why marijuana is illegal in the first place.
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Estimates vary wildly on the cost impact of marijuana use and of enforcement. Back in 2002 the Senate report pegged the annual cost of cannabis to law enforcement and the justice system at $300 million to $500 million. The costs of enforcing criminalization, the report concluded, “are disproportionately high given the drug’s social and health consequences.”
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Canada has always taken a softer line on prosecuting drug offences than the U.S., which has recorded 45 million arrests since president Richard Nixon declared a war on drugs in 1971. More than half of those in U.S. federal prison are there for drug offences. The Canadian drug incarceration rate is nowhere near as high. But the government’s omnibus crime bill includes a suite of harder penalties. It requires a six-month minimum sentence for those growing as few as six cannabis plants, with escalating minimums. It also doubled the maximum penalty to 14 years for trafficking pot. (In Colorado, by contrast, it’s now legal for an adult to grow six plants for personal use or to possess up to an ounce of marijuana.)
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UNICEF also recommended that child pot use can be reduced more effectively with the same kind of public information campaigns and other aggressive measures used to curtail tobacco use. Canadian children, it noted, have the third-lowest rate of tobacco smokers among 29 nations. Remarkably, whether you use the 28 or 22 per cent estimate, more Canadian children have at least tried pot than the number who who smoke or drink heavily.
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Despite the zeal for enforcement, most pot arrests in Canada never result in convictions. In 2010, just 7,500 of possession charges for all types of drugs resulted in guilty verdicts—about 10 per cent of all 74,000 possession offences. Most possession busts never make it to trial. Of those reaching court, more than half of the charges are stayed, withdrawn or result in acquittals. This dismal batting average begs two questions. Is this a wise use of police resources and court time?
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Will pot use increase? There’s little evidence internationally to suggest a surge in use, at least any more than it has as an easily obtainable illegal substance. The 2002 Senate report concluded: “We have not legalized cannabis and we have one of the highest rates [of use] in the world. Countries adopting a more liberal policy have, for the most part, rates of usage lower than ours, which stabilized after a short period of growth.”
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What is the health impact of pot? Expect further studies in the states where legalization has unfettered researchers. In Canada, Gerald Thomas, an analyst with the Centre for Addictions Research of B.C., and Chris Davis, an analyst with the Canadian Centre on Substance Abuse, used Health Canada data to chart the health and social costs of cannabis, tobacco and alcohol. Their findings: tobacco-related health costs are over $800 per user; alcohol-related health costs were $165 per user; cannabis-related health costs were $20 per user. Enforcement costs added $153 per drinker and $328 for cannabis user. In other words, 94 per cent of the cost to society of cannabis comes from keeping it illegal.
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Would the federal government go to war with a province to protect a 90-year-old law built on myths, fears and hysteria; a law that crushed the ambitions of countless thousands of young people; a law that millions violate when it suits their purpose? Likely, but it would be one hell of a fight. After the legalization vote was decided in Washington last November, the Seattle Police Department posted a humourous online guide to pot use, entitled Marijwhatnow? Yes, it said, those over 21 can carry an ounce of pot. No, you can’t smoke it in public. Will Seattle police help federal investigations of marijuana use in the state? Not a chance. There was, between the lines, a palpable relief that they no longer had to play bad cops to a bad law. Marijwhatnow? ended with a clip from Lord of the Rings. Gandalf and Bilbo are smoking a pipe. “Gandalf, my friend,” says Bilbo, “this will be a night to remember.”

Perhaps one day Canadians will be as lucky.


What a great read when it comes to marijuana legalization. I'd recommend everyone take the time to read it, especially those in the group of 'will someone think of the children', unless you believe UNICEF is after your kids. There is no doubt the tides are turning on this but like most political changes it will be 40 years too late. There is no real good reason why this shouldn't happen sooner rather than later. It makes me more sad that an USA state legalized it before BC...something wrong there.

I still haven't heard a good argument why it should still be illegal to smoke cannabis. The anti-cannabis crowd, like the article says, likes to use myths, fears and hysteria while facts are thrown out the window.
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Long overdue. I'm not even a pot smoker but it's beyond silly it's not legal and if it was it might be nice to toke up once or twice a year on a whim, stop into a 7-11 and get some legal pot.
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UNICEF also recommended that child pot use can be reduced more effectively with the same kind of public information campaigns and other aggressive measures used to curtail tobacco use.
nevermind, I assume they mean child pot useage.


Isn't pot smoke worse for you lungs, like 3 times worse?
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nevermind, I assume they mean child pot useage.


Isn't pot smoke worse for you lungs, like 3 times worse?
I had the same problem reading that sentence as you so you're not alone.
I don't know, but it sure as hell smells a lot worse.
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Why it won't be legalized:

Every lawyer, judge and lobbyist that will lose their job (the system is broken, hooray).
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She is celebrated in a statue on Parliament Hill for her leading role among the Famous Five, who fought in the courts and were ultimately successful in having women recognized as “persons” under the law. And she endures in the spirit of Canada’s marijuana laws, which continue to reflect some of her hysterical views.
I laughed.

They might as well just title the article "Why it's time to boot the Conservatives". This isn't the only time they've ignored all the evidence in favour of ideology.
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nevermind, I assume they mean child pot useage.


Isn't pot smoke worse for you lungs, like 3 times worse?
depends, that sounds about right in terms of dirtying up your lungs, however, pot smoke is considerably less carcinogenic (or anti-carcinogenic, depending on who's writing the article), and has killed a total of zero people. Pot consumption is generally far less than tobacco (easily less than a third for typical users) and you can use vaporizers which are pretty much harmless.
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Jarret Stoll appears to be very excited about this news.
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I had the same problem reading that sentence as you so you're not alone.
I don't know, but it sure as hell smells a lot worse.
I'd assume there are two factors that play into this.

Smoking with or without a filter (if you used a vaporizer it's even cleaner) and what was used in the growing and harvesting of the weed.

After spending a week in Paris, I've realized that we have nothing to complain about regarding the prevalence of smoking in Canada.
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No.
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nevermind, I assume they mean child pot useage.


Isn't pot smoke worse for you lungs, like 3 times worse?
Myth! Just like one joint is worse than a pack of cigarettes. Any time you inhale smoke it is not going to be good for you, doesn't matter if it's the grass in your front lawn.

But there has been studies showing that even though cannabis has a higher concentrate of harmful ingredients it also has THC which combats those effects of lung cancer. It has something to do with the receptors in the lungs only 'connecting' to tobacco smoke.

It's even been shown that THC can block cancerous cells from growing. I know right now there is a study going on where they are injecting THC for brain tumors and are seeing success with them shrinking.
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Myth! Just like one joint is worse than a pack of cigarettes. Any time you inhale smoke it is not going to be good for you, doesn't matter if it's the grass in your front lawn.

But there has been studies showing that even though cannabis has a higher concentrate of harmful ingredients it also has THC which combats those effects of lung cancer. It has something to do with the receptors in the lungs only 'connecting' to tobacco smoke.

It's even been shown that THC can block cancerous cells from growing. I know right now there is a study going on where they are injecting THC for brain tumors and are seeing success with them shrinking.
Be even your source isn't sure:

http://www.webmd.com/smoking-cessati...health-effects

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Is it possible that more study needs to be done? My only concerns is, I wonder if there is the ability to do an independent study anymore. Both side are strongly entrenched.

In fact a quick google search shows that you can find studies that support both sides, but they come from entities that support the findings of the study.
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Should be legal. Waste of time to use it.
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After spending a week in Paris, I've realized that we have nothing to complain about regarding the prevalence of smoking in Canada.
Seems that way for any European city. We just got back from St. Maarten last month (Dutch/French) and it seemed like everyone smoked. I think it's the first place I"ve been where the smokers outnumbered the non smokers.
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Seems that way for any European city. We just got back from St. Maarten last month (Dutch/French) and EVERYONE smoked. I think it's the first place I"ve been where the smokers outnumbered the non smokers.
Yup. A few times I even saw preteen-aged kids smoking with their parents.

I don't think that they care about the health effects. It seems like the general attitude I saw was that it's just part of life. You smoke and if you get sick, you get sick and you die and thats that.
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http://www.webmd.com/smoking-cessati...health-effects



Is it possible that more study needs to be done? My only concerns is, I wonder if there is the ability to do an independent study anymore. Both side are strongly entrenched.
Thanks for calling out the 'cures cancer', 'it's actually good for you' BS. I'm in support of legalization for libertarian and cost savings purposes, but I hate it when pot smokers try to rationalize it as healthy. While it certainly has medicinal qualities of making some nasty symptoms from some nasty medical conditions easier to endure, it's not something that more people need to be smoking.
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I can't see myself smoking a joint at this stage of my life but I'd be lying if I said I'm not intrigued by the edibles. A pot lolipop or cookie might be fun for the "body stone" or whatever the kids are calling it these days. Some day maybe...
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It's a shame that our policy is heading headlong into a mirror of the failed US policy.
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Trudeau or not, I'm going to suck it up and vote Liberal in the next election. I'm sick of having such a backwards thinking government in control
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I'm not voting Conservative again, but I can't vote Trudeau.
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