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Old 12-15-2017, 12:22 PM   #701
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Ummm I think both of my points stand as SuperMatty so eloquently pointed out. These teams are not only financial drivers (I do agree with you that I don't give a #### if FIFA makes or loses money) but they also create the intrigue. You clearly dislike Italian football which means they have done their job. They have you talking. I don't see you complaining about the style of play or state of soccer in Georgia. As I have stated, people either love or hate Italy, there seems to be no in between. Not having them there is disappointing because the tournament has lost some of its spice.

As for Croatia, keep dreaming if you think you will ever join the upper echelon of football power houses.
Really? I think you're really wrong on that point. Right now Croatia develops talent but they dont have the coaching or organization to support it.

But I'd 'Never say Never.'

Holland and Italy just missed the World Cup. Could Croatia take a few steps? I wouldnt be ruling it out.
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Old 12-15-2017, 12:30 PM   #702
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Croatia is interesting because they have a lot of great midfielders and attackers right now but it remains to be scene if this is the start of them joining that Upper Echelon or just a "Golden Era".

It seems to happen every couple of years where a country produces a couple of World class players at the same time, only to then not duplicate that success again.

The Czech's with Nedved, Ukraine with Schevchenko, Denmark with Schmeichel immediately come to mind just in the last 20 or so years.

As for this version of Croatia on it's own I think they could suprise a lot of teams. Midfield always seems to be important on the international stage and if they play the right system they have a midfield that can own any game.
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Old 12-15-2017, 12:41 PM   #703
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Yugoslavia have always had the talent and the flair. They were amazing before the breakup in 1992. 1990 Quarterfinalists. Probably would have won Euro 92.
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Old 12-15-2017, 12:41 PM   #704
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Croatia is interesting because they have a lot of great midfielders and attackers right now but it remains to be scene if this is the start of them joining that Upper Echelon or just a "Golden Era".

It seems to happen every couple of years where a country produces a couple of World class players at the same time, only to then not duplicate that success again.

The Czech's with Nedved, Ukraine with Schevchenko, Denmark with Schmeichel immediately come to mind just in the last 20 or so years.

As for this version of Croatia on it's own I think they could suprise a lot of teams. Midfield always seems to be important on the international stage and if they play the right system they have a midfield that can own any game.
Egypt with Salah.

I'm always skeptical of superstars from non-traditional soccer countries, I was hugely skeptical of Salah but what can you say? The guy delivers.
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Portugal is another one, people think they are a powerhouse but they only played in TWO World Cup before the Figo era.

what El-Hadji Diouf's Senegal? That guy was a character
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I agree actually - and IIRC it took a complete failure at a Euro Cup for Germany to re-look at their federation and youth development system.

Hopefully this lights a fire under the Italian Federation to change their outdated views on development and training.

Although the one thing that does make me sad is that I think Conte did more with a worse team at the last Euros - so you never know what he could have done with this group that was undoubtedly more talented.
Thats lipstick on the Pig IMO.

A good coach can get results out of a pub team depending on circumstances (See: Everton/Liverpool last week).

Thats not a solution though.

There has been something foul in the states of Italy and Holland for a while now and I think this is the Purge.

And yeah, you can say that you think Conte could have dragged them over the line and you may well be right, but thats just kicking the can down the road until the next time someone cant.

Holland hit their Zenith in 2010 and are now at one of their lowest points, you could probably say the same about Italy and 2006. Both Countries will be back, but both share a similar trajectory.

They got their teeth kicked in. Time to adapt.

Sports are Dynamic. You have to adapt to survive or be left behind and the Dutch and Italians trotted out a bunch of retreads past their best-before-dates and are being left behind. Who could have seen that coming?

Then you look at the Germans and they've got kids you've never heard of challenging veterans for Starting XI spots. Thats what you need, not trotting out Sneijder and Robben on the wrong side of 30 to hope they can drag your ass out of the fire. Similar to the Italians where they reportedly had veteran players setting the lineup.

Theres lots of issues there.

It sucks, but if its taken as a wake-up call then Italy and Holland, and honestly, all of European football, will be better off for it.
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Ummm I think both of my points stand as SuperMatty so eloquently pointed out. These teams are not only financial drivers (I do agree with you that I don't give a #### if FIFA makes or loses money) but they also create the intrigue. You clearly dislike Italian football which means they have done their job. They have you talking. I don't see you complaining about the style of play or state of soccer in Georgia. As I have stated, people either love or hate Italy, there seems to be no in between. Not having them there is disappointing because the tournament has lost some of its spice.

As for Croatia, keep dreaming if you think you will ever join the upper echelon of football power houses.



at least we're in the World Cup.
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Thats lipstick on the Pig IMO.

A good coach can get results out of a pub team depending on circumstances (See: Everton/Liverpool last week).

Thats not a solution though.

There has been something foul in the states of Italy and Holland for a while now and I think this is the Purge.

And yeah, you can say that you think Conte could have dragged them over the line and you may well be right, but thats just kicking the can down the road until the next time someone cant.

Holland hit their Zenith in 2010 and are now at one of their lowest points, you could probably say the same about Italy and 2006. Both Countries will be back, but both share a similar trajectory.

They got their teeth kicked in. Time to adapt.

Sports are Dynamic. You have to adapt to survive or be left behind and the Dutch and Italians trotted out a bunch of retreads past their best-before-dates and are being left behind. Who could have seen that coming?

Then you look at the Germans and they've got kids you've never heard of challenging veterans for Starting XI spots. Thats what you need, not trotting out Sneijder and Robben on the wrong side of 30 to hope they can drag your ass out of the fire. Similar to the Italians where they reportedly had veteran players setting the lineup.

Theres lots of issues there.

It sucks, but if its taken as a wake-up call then Italy and Holland, and honestly, all of European football, will be better off for it.
I'm not overly familiar with the situation in the Netherlands but for Italy it is more than just a sporting problem. This isn't just a corrupt FA or poor development paths etc. Their issue is cultural. I don't think just having better development systems will fix it. They'll never get rid of the corruption, the racism and discrimination, not to mention the cultural malaise.

I think it is probable Italy is headed for a long decline into mediocrity as a sporting nation and I'm not sure how long it'll take before they can bounce back, if they ever do.
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The FA is adopting the NFLs Rooney Rule for future coaching decisions.

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The Football Association has confirmed that it will enforce the ‘Rooney Rule’ when appointing future coaching roles within the England set-up. This means at least one Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic applicant with the relevant qualifications and experience will be interviewed by FA figures for coaching positions.

Chief executive Martin Glenn said the rule will "absolutely" be implemented when selecting Gareth Southgate's successor as England manager.

“The principles of a voluntary ‘Rooney Rule’ will be formally adopted by the England team set up,” the FA confirmed on Tuesday. “This will ensure at least one BAME candidate will be interviewed for every role as long as such a candidate has applied and meets the recruitment criteria.”
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Ryan Giggs has been appointed Wales manager.

lol, good luck with that.
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Ryan Giggs has been appointed Wales manager.

lol, good luck with that.
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