Circumcision, why is this a thing...

[brocoli]

After having this discussion with my partner last night she brought up the best thought to me from the medical field. My family has a history of Alzheimer's and it's something that I did not think would concern this, however once you get to a point you forget to clean yourself properly without being snipped. This can lead to some big problems down the line.

Now, this isn't a concern to use for everyone, but when factoring family history into it, I would rather take the chance for my kid to get it done now, than to deal with the what if when he is older.

[troutman]

double post

[troutman]

Hygiene

http://www.cirp.org/library/hygiene/

Peri-care:

http://training.mmlearn.org/blog/the...-needs-to-know

[pepper24]

Playing hockey with late 70's/early 80's born kids from Tyke to WHL I recall maybe 2 or 3 guys I played with that weren't circumcised. It was just something every boy had. No debate back then. No big decisions to make. No worries or outside pressure.

Tough today as a parent where everyone is criticized for the smallest things and then get questioned about being a good parent. We see it in this thread. You need it to keep it clean. You are permanently traumatizing your kid. Who cares.

[kevman]

Originally Posted by pepper24

Playing hockey with late 70's/early 80's born kids from Tyke to WHL I recall maybe 2 or 3 guys I played with that weren't circumcised.

So there were what, 6 of you on your team? Circumcision rates in the 70's were already below 50% in Canada.

The Canadian Paediatric Society offered an estimate of 48 percent for the prevalence of male circumcision in Canada in 1970 prior to this fall in prevalence.

Source:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preval...f_circumcision


I'm not going to be able to talk anyone out of cutting off a piece of their sons dink for religious reasons but the practice of circumcision "to look like everyone else" is misguided. Most boys in Canada are left natural.

However, the rate of neonatal circumcision has declined over time to the current Canadian average of 32%

Source:https://www.cps.ca/en/documents/position/circumcision


If you wanna hack things up, no one can stop you, just know that you're in the minority and your son is going to have the weird looking penis in a locker room.

[pepper24]

I was just commenting that when I was growing up playing hockey that most kids were circumcised. It was easy and something that parents did not care about.

Now it is more split (no pun intended) and we have judgmental parents like you with your last comment. Who cares what parents do is my point.

[Diemenz]

Why are the uncut guys in this thread so angry? Be happy with yourself and quit pushing your agenda on others. I’m circumsized and my 1 month old boy is as well. What you say isn’t changing my mind on what I feel is best for my child because....well it’s my child. The way you raise your child and the person you are is what determines how a child will be later in life not a flap of skin.

A discussion is one thing but come on; the consistent ridiculous claims and judging ones worth are a bit much.

[opendoor]

I do think that many of the more social or subjective arguments in favor of circumcision that have appeared in this thread (appearance, women's preference, self confidence, etc.) don't really hold water in face of the fact that nearly 4 in 5 male newborns in Canada aren't circumcised and rates continue to fall.

That said, I'm not sure why it's such an emotional argument for some. It's a minor procedure with few complications and has some tangible long term health benefits. Despite that though, it's clearly losing favor other than for religious reasons and anyone having their son circumcised today is putting them in an increasingly small minority, so talk about locker rooms or fitting in is really more of an argument against having it done.

[Aleks]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Soo...braces increase risk of receding gums which increases likelihood of you needing dentures later in life. Go outside north america and you'll find developed places where very few people have ever had braces. In fact, in Japan, crooked teeth are often preferred (on women especially). Its an entirely cosmetic procedure.

Once you accepted that humans do a lot of things for aesthetics, I'm not sure why the rationale of male circumcision is much more difficult to understand. Outside of religious reasons, the primary reason for circumcision is cosmetic.

The best argument against male circumcision is that its pointless. But so are braces. So is hair removal. So are hair stylings. So are piercings. So is make up. So is having a tight ass, big arms, or a six-pack. But we're human and we all would rather look more attractive than less attractive. And culturally, we've decided whats attractive and what isn't.

And if I believe - "subjectively" - that one looks better than the other and the act won't adversely impact the long-term health or well-being of my child, I'd be crazy not to do it. If you think it either makes no difference to attractiveness and both are equally attractive, you'd be crazy to do it.

And hence why its like "chill bro!"

Seeing how its a surgical removal procedure we are discussing, maybe its more appropriate to compare it akin to cosmetic plastic surgery. Removal of skin for appearance purposes get honked here a bunch, so how would you feel about a parent electing to have some other part of their infant surgically removed for appearance purposes? Too much nose on Billy might make him shy in middle school, we want him to fit in, and we don't want him to have troubles blowing it, so its best if we just take a bit off of it. Perhaps that would maybe raise some eyebrows, no? And before you get on the health risk train, as it was mentioned before, you don't go about electively removing other organs "just in case". Jimmies dad had IBS, better resect some bowel so it doesn't happen to him. Molly's mom had NASH, better just take out that liver in case that makes it down the bloodline. Better safe than sorry

Originally Posted by brocoli

After having this discussion with my partner last night she brought up the best thought to me from the medical field. My family has a history of Alzheimer's and it's something that I did not think would concern this, however once you get to a point you forget to clean yourself properly without being snipped. This can lead to some big problems down the line.

Now, this isn't a concern to use for everyone, but when factoring family history into it, I would rather take the chance for my kid to get it done now, than to deal with the what if when he is older.

Just no. I sympathize with your families issue and concern, but in the case you're presenting, there is far more potential care issues that will be detrimental than he forgot to clean his penis. To tie "what if he forgets to clean his penis when he's elderly" to beneficial foreskin removal in infancy, borders ridiculousness and searching for validation

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Diemenz

A discussion is one thing but come on; the consistent ridiculous claims and judging ones worth are a bit much.

Get with the times. If someone has a different opinion from you about anything to do with parenting, money, food, religion, immigration, politics, or superhero movies, they're morally bankrupt and MUST BE STOPPED.

[jroc]

Just got back from the 18 week ultrasound appointment with my wife. Found out I'm going to have a boy!

Haven't had time to look at this thread, is there any strong opinions on whether I should get him circumcised or not?

[kevman]

Originally Posted by pepper24

I was just commenting that when I was growing up playing hockey that most kids were circumcised. It was easy and something that parents did not care about.

Now it is more split (no pun intended) and we have judgmental parents like you with your last comment. Who cares what parents do is my point.

While I might be judging, I don't care what you chose. I'm just saying, since it's been cited numerous times in this thread for a reason to circumcise, that if you're making the decision so your son "fits in" that the stats show that the majority of boys are left natural.

[MoneyGuy]

Originally Posted by jroc

Just got back from the 18 week ultrasound appointment with my wife. Found out I'm going to have a boy!

Haven't had time to look at this thread, is there any strong opinions on whether I should get him circumcised or not?

Nope, just lots of fence sitters.

[pseudoreality]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

3) As someone who watched a lot of porn as a teenager (like a lot of teenagers), I felt normal. As someone who had self-confidence issues (and confidence with girls issues) as a teenager (like lots of teenagers) the thought of having an uncircumcised penis being another factor working against me never crossed my mind. And I already hated a whole lot about my body growing up and I know I wouldnt have liked my uncircumcised penis.

You got to really feel sorry for those kids in Japan, growing up thinking there is something wrong with their penis because it is not pixelated.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by brocoli

After having this discussion with my partner last night she brought up the best thought to me from the medical field. My family has a history of Alzheimer's and it's something that I did not think would concern this, however once you get to a point you forget to clean yourself properly without being snipped. This can lead to some big problems down the line.

Now, this isn't a concern to use for everyone, but when factoring family history into it, I would rather take the chance for my kid to get it done now, than to deal with the what if when he is older.

Cleaning behind your ears is hard too if you don't remember. Keep those scissors out, we aren't done yet!

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by brocoli

After having this discussion with my partner last night she brought up the best thought to me from the medical field. My family has a history of Alzheimer's and it's something that I did not think would concern this, however once you get to a point you forget to clean yourself properly without being snipped. This can lead to some big problems down the line.

Now, this isn't a concern to use for everyone, but when factoring family history into it, I would rather take the chance for my kid to get it done now, than to deal with the what if when he is older.

As someone who is in the same boat as far as having Alzheimer's ravage my mom's side of the family I'd say forgetting to know how to wash your penis properly should be one of the last things to worry about and make you consider circumcising your children. By the time it gets that bad you usually need someone to help you clean yourself anyway.

[speede5]

Growing up in the 70's, high school early 80's, circumcision was the norm. I could probably count on one hand the boys that weren't, not that I spent a lot of time looking. Your stats may show 48% over the nation but that average changes in regions or race/religion.

It's not a crime. I wasn't mutilated and I'm not a victim. Same for my 3 circ'd kids.

I'm not evil or barbaric. This thread has about 4 informative posts and a whole bunch of nonsense.

There are true evils in this world and this is a prime example of first world problems. Now leave me alone while I drink my ice cap from a plastic straw.

[Royle9]

So what I've learned from this thread so far is much like the movie fight club.

TLDR: 1st rule - Dont talk about circumcision

Parents choice, let them decide. I think the issue here is the world's philosophy on many things seems to be changing these days, there's tons of people who feel they have to push their agenda on the world because it's "right" in their mind.

Things like "letting a baby decide its gender later on, put X on the birth certificate" etc just seem so far left its almost scary, as a 1st time parent to be I cant wait to be told how to raise my kid the "ethical" way for the next 7 months.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by speede5

Growing up in the 70's, high school early 80's, circumcision was the norm. I could probably count on one hand the boys that weren't, not that I spent a lot of time looking. Your stats may show 48% over the nation but that average changes in regions or race/religion.

It's not a crime. I wasn't mutilated and I'm not a victim. Same for my 3 circ'd kids.

I'm not evil or barbaric. This thread has about 4 informative posts and a whole bunch of nonsense.

There are true evils in this world and this is a prime example of first world problems. Now leave me alone while I drink my ice cap from a plastic straw.

It's funny how the anti-circumcision crowd always resorts to this "if people only knew the truth" type arguments. As if there's some great conspiracy to hide the evils of circumcision.

We all know the possible negative consequences and risks of circumcision. Some people choose to have it done on their children anyways. Most people don't bother.

[Makarov]

So my first son is due at the end of October. My wife and I are really struggling with the circumcision decision. Neither of us is religious but, if we're honest, I think we would both admit to a familiarity/aesthetic preference for circumcision. This thread has not helped mystruggle much. I intend to raise it with our OBGYN for his inpit. Has anyone ever received advice from their doctor on this issue?