Heavily featured, the Liaoning China's first operational Aircraft carrier, J-15 Carrier launched fighters (China's already looking for a new Carrier Aircraft because the J-15 has a worse operational safety record then the F-104 Star Fighter). The brand new type 94 ballistic missile submarine is also shown.
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Specifically, Bajwat Sector opposite the Indian Akhnur cantonment. There are reports of casualties on both sides. Both sides claim destroying opposing force's observation/border posts.
For the past 24 hrs, both sides have made claims about what did or didn't happen with respect to India's raid last night. IE, India claims to have destroyed a Jaish-e-Mohammed (JeM) camp and Pakistan claims the Indian jets didn't reach the target.
The proverbial shyte was hitting the fan as I slept apparently.
- Pakistan claims to have shot down two IAF MiGs. One IAF pilot in custody (there is video of the PAK Army capturing the pilot but I will not post it) in Pakistan. The other plane crashed on Indian side of LoC. Pakistan does admit to sending its planes across LoC to hit Indian targets.
- India admits to losing one plane due to malfunction and its subsequent crash. The pilot is MIA.
- India claims to have shot down PAF F-16. Pakistan denies.
- Increased mortar exchanges this morning in Kashmir.
- PAK President Khan appears conciliatory and calls for talks with India. With a captured pilot, India might be in more of a mood to sit down.
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While this has always been a really volatile region between 2 nuclear armed powers, and I don't like what seems to be a language of escalation, I would expect that both sides would find a way to back off.
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Major fighting being reported along the LOC with many casualties on both sides. Heavy artillery and missiles being used. I thought the return of the downed pilot would simmer things down but it seems to have gone the other direction.
1. The continuing clashes between two nuclear powers is concerning with no real indication of deescalation. However, this doesn't seem to warrant much time in western media. These skirmishes are under-reported or reported as seemingly insignificant. Why? There have been many casualties along the LoC and hospitals are reporting shortages of blood. The latter isn't confirmed, which leads to point 2.
2. Unlike Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan or Israel, videos and pics of what is happening in Kashmir are few and far between. IND and PAK aggressively control information. I find it difficult to verify what is true or not. There is lots of honour and emotion involved with these two countries.
3. With reference to point 2 and the air forces of the two nations. It seems odd to me that, along probably the most dangerous border in the world and in what is arguably the most contested region in the world, neither side seems to employ an air defence system capable of denying enemy aircraft interdiction.
4. At this point in time - meaning as I write - I still really do not know what actually happened with the air combat resulting in the capture of the IND pilot.
- IND states they shot down PAK F-16.
- PAK now states F-16 not involved, but they won't say what was involved. There are those that speculate JF-17 and I have seen some video of JF-17 doing some hot scrambles from their PAK bases. However, official Chinese state response is no comment. Thus, I assume JC-17 was involved.
- Now, PAK claims the pilot they captured is an Su-30 pilot. Thus, they shot down an Su-30. Su-30 is a two-seater. Do they have the second pilot? Is he MIA? If PAK does have the second pilot, IND now has a problem because they insisted it was an MiG-21 that crashed. In the big scheme of things it doesn't really matter but, as I mentioned above, there is much pride and emotion and Modi would have to explain to his people right before a Spring election that he lied.
5. There supposedly was another IND Su-30 shot down (on 27 Feb). I don't believe the PAK government has claimed that, though. However, like everywhere else, people leak info. The pilots have been named (I won't name them here). An IND Mi-17 also crashed that day. IND claims it was a tech malfunction, Kashmiri rebels claim they shot it down.
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A I can't see India believing this at all. B a government seemingly working with a group that operates in your country is going to lead to a not good result.
If we remember back to Afghanistan, the Taliban admitted to communications with Bin-Laden's group that was hiding there, and the American's demanded that they hand him over, when they refused the American's sent in the military.
Could this lead to a ground invasion to go after the camps? Maybe not, but its suddenly something that's a possibility
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A I can't see India believing this at all. B a government seemingly working with a group that operates in your country is going to lead to a not good result.
If we remember back to Afghanistan, the Taliban admitted to communications with Bin-Laden's group that was hiding there, and the American's demanded that they hand him over, when they refused the American's sent in the military.
Could this lead to a ground invasion to go after the camps? Maybe not, but its suddenly something that's a possibility
I am getting a dead link to that tweet.
Pakistan is in a difficult situation. While the ISI provides support to JeM with varying degrees of nuance, it is the Saudis and UAE that actually finances them and Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT). The purpose of JeM and LeT is to perform dastardly acts in Iran (which, as an aside, is a reason why Pakistan has F-16s). India's problem is that these maniacs view India-occupied Kashmir as a suitable model to implement their brand of Sunni craziness. Now, India doesn't exactly treat the Kashmiris very well which allows JeM to make some headway in Kashmir. So, India isn't some innocent player in all of this.
You mention Afghanistan/USA and it perfectly highlights the usual American problem of being blinded by the tactical light so that they can't see the strategic picture. That is, they have to own up to their role in this part of Asia since 9/11 because they provided a large degree of "protection"/cover to Pakistan in order to facilitate the forever war in Afghanistan.
Fast forward to today and one of the myriad of geopolitical complexities here is that the USA is now relying upon Pakistan to reach a peace deal with the Taliban so that the USA can get out of Afghanistan. Thus, Pakistan assumes (probably correctly) that the USA won't pressure Pakistan on harbouring JeM and LeT. As further evidence in support, the USA and Saudi Arabia are set to bolster Pakistan with a $20 billion IMF loan. Call it a bribe I suppose, but USA needs Pakistan right now and Pakistan needs money. USA also does not want Pakistan drifting towards China.
Can India attack Pakistan with ground forces? That's certainly open to debate isn't it. On paper, they most certainly can. In reality, though, much of their conventional advantage has to guard against China. India also suffers from an ammunition shortage; I'm not certain how long they could maintain any attack.
What really looms over their head, though, is that Pakistan does not subscribe to the "no first use" nuclear strike. Remember, too, that the Pakistani military controls the nukes.
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I was talking to my friend who works on the base here, and he mentioned today that they recently have missiles setup to protect the local port. Probably nothing, but is something that is a little interesting - maybe a threat on the port or Putin buzzed the coast with one of his submarines?
Pakistan is in a difficult situation. While the ISI provides support to JeM with varying degrees of nuance, it is the Saudis and UAE that actually finances them and Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT). The purpose of JeM and LeT is to perform dastardly acts in Iran (which, as an aside, is a reason why Pakistan has F-16s). India's problem is that these maniacs view India-occupied Kashmir as a suitable model to implement their brand of Sunni craziness. Now, India doesn't exactly treat the Kashmiris very well which allows JeM to make some headway in Kashmir. So, India isn't some innocent player in all of this.
You mention Afghanistan/USA and it perfectly highlights the usual American problem of being blinded by the tactical light so that they can't see the strategic picture. That is, they have to own up to their role in this part of Asia since 9/11 because they provided a large degree of "protection"/cover to Pakistan in order to facilitate the forever war in Afghanistan.
Fast forward to today and one of the myriad of geopolitical complexities here is that the USA is now relying upon Pakistan to reach a peace deal with the Taliban so that the USA can get out of Afghanistan. Thus, Pakistan assumes (probably correctly) that the USA won't pressure Pakistan on harbouring JeM and LeT. As further evidence in support, the USA and Saudi Arabia are set to bolster Pakistan with a $20 billion IMF loan. Call it a bribe I suppose, but USA needs Pakistan right now and Pakistan needs money. USA also does not want Pakistan drifting towards China.
Can India attack Pakistan with ground forces? That's certainly open to debate isn't it. On paper, they most certainly can. In reality, though, much of their conventional advantage has to guard against China. India also suffers from an ammunition shortage; I'm not certain how long they could maintain any attack.
What really looms over their head, though, is that Pakistan does not subscribe to the "no first use" nuclear strike. Remember, too, that the Pakistani military controls the nukes.
Thanks for the post, I'm the first to admit, I'm not super strong on the politics of that area.
The link seems to have vanished, which is strange.
Two Pakistan soldiers killed in a border scrimmage.
I should clarify on my whole ground force invasion. What that usually means in this day and age is specialized or special forces insertions. I don't see a large scale invasion happening between two nuclear armed states. The only way that works is if you find a way to remove that nuclear threat.
The nuclear programs in Pakistan and India are always worrying me. And your right Pakistan has no no first rule language in their standard procedures.
I don't know what the firing process is, but the question I would pose to you when you say that the nukes are under Pakistan military control is this. Is there no political over sight over the release of nuclear weapons, because that to me seems very strange and could lead to all kinds of forms of nuclear blackmail.
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I was talking to my friend who works on the base here, and he mentioned today that they recently have missiles setup to protect the local port. Probably nothing, but is something that is a little interesting - maybe a threat on the port or Putin buzzed the coast with one of his submarines?
Sorry I don't know where you are but I assume you're talking an American military base?
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I don't know what the firing process is, but the question I would pose to you when you say that the nukes are under Pakistan military control is this. Is there no political over sight over the release of nuclear weapons, because that to me seems very strange and could lead to all kinds of forms of nuclear blackmail.
No, there isn't any civilian oversight. The Generals determine if and when the nukes are used. Recall, I mentioned Pak's monetary problems. The USA has to tread carefully here vis pressuring Pakistan and JeM/LeT. Pakistan could sell nukes on the black market as kind of an FU.
The Balochistan Liberation Front seems to have seized an opportunity in the past day or so. As Pakistan has moved military units from the Balochistan province to the LoC, the BLF has stepped up attacks on PAK army installations.
Over in Afghanistan, the Taliban have attacked the former Camp Bastion (current Camp Shorabak) in Helmand province. There has been an ongoing battle for the better part of a day now. Dozens of Taliban and Afghan Security forces KIA. No word on American casualties, if any. I can't vouch for the photos/video. It's either very good Taliban propaganda or a devastating blow to NATO.
This video apparently is video from one of the clashes between PAK/IND and the Taliban uploaded it for propaganda purposes. Language heard is Urdo? Who knows.
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Here is some Vice combat footage taken in Baghuz, eastern Syria. This tiny bit of real estate is all that Daesh occupies now. I'll add a caveat for the typical scenes of dead bodies, so fair warning.
The camera follows a hodge-podge collection of Arab militia, SDF fighters, and Western volunteers as they engage Daesh in a built-up area.
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