07-02-2018, 10:58 AM
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#1001
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Originally Posted by Samonadreau
Cant. The buyout window is over. There may be a another buyout chance but I think it depends on arbitration cases.
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The way I understand it it's pretty easy to get there though.
I would buy him out now. I'm maybe the least Brouwer-hating guy here, but he's not been good and I don't see him improving given the lack of ice time he's going to get. At least Lazar has potential upside because he's still young.
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07-02-2018, 11:02 AM
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#1002
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
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Insert <WhyNotBoth?.jpg> when arguing about whether to remove Brouwer or Lazar off the team.
Both have been pretty bad in their time in Calgary with very few bright spots.
Last edited by sureLoss; 07-02-2018 at 11:11 AM.
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07-02-2018, 11:13 AM
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#1003
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Franchise Player
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Just playing best to worst players, top to bottom, with no preference made to who I would like to see playing with whom :
Gaudreau-Monahan-Neal
Tkachuk-Backlund-Lindholm
Bennett-Ryan-Czarnik
Frolik-Jankowski-Foo
Mangiapane
Gio-Brodie
Hanafin-Harmonic
Kulak-Stone
Andersson
Smith
Rittich
That just screams rolling four lines, to me. Andersson and Mangiapane are extras only because they are the most likely to push into the lineup.
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07-02-2018, 11:14 AM
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#1004
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Lifetime Suspension
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sureLoss
Versatility was management's theme for the offseason. They got it.
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They gained most of it by letting GG go.
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07-02-2018, 11:14 AM
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#1005
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Flames Town
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I would also like the Flames to sign Lehner.
Then trade Brouwer and Gillies. That will be a solid off-season imo
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07-02-2018, 11:17 AM
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#1006
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In the Sin Bin
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Originally Posted by browna
Those guys wilted big time when the spotlight was on them in the next week and a half of games after Smith got hurt in Brooklyn. At least a below average goal per game each of them let in, nevermind the losses.There wrr lots of moving parts with the scoring drying up and the team abdandoning a coach, but the way those backups played really hurt at the most important time of the year.
Smith played fantastically well last year and you have to hope he can keep that up. And hopefully the ability and confidence of those backups is up a notch too.
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They were also rookies. Can’t expect perfection from rookie goalies. There’s growing pains you have to live with if you wanna develop young NHLers especially in goal. I’d expect Rittich/Gillies to be more solid this season if Smith went down. I was really impressed with Gillies after he let in the weak goals each game. He would’ve got some wins if our offense hadn’t been so anemic
It’s not comfortable trusting the net to young goalies but it’s a necessary growing pain if you want to develop them. Playing them is part of the solution to the post-Smith Flames. We need to be developing them into potential starters for the year or two after.
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07-02-2018, 11:18 AM
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#1007
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: The Void between Darkness and Light
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The Flames have now added 4 forwards to the roster in the first 48 hours of free agency.
4.
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07-02-2018, 11:18 AM
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#1008
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: In the studio
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sureLoss
Insert when arguing about whether to remove Brouwer or Lazar off the team.
Both have been pretty bad in their time in Calgary with very few bright spots.
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07-02-2018, 11:19 AM
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#1009
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: The Void between Darkness and Light
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As bad as Brouwer is, he's twice as good as Lazar.
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07-02-2018, 11:27 AM
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#1010
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Back in Calgary!!
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Even if Brouwer had a resurgence and started to earn a fraction of that contract, he isn't really needed anymore. I don't even know where he fits.
But I'm willing to let Treliving try to save some face with that 2nd round pick with Lazar. He makes very little money and at this point is not a burden. He's still a younger guy and missed almost an entire year of development, so maybe he has room to grow. Give him a chance in camp, if it becomes clear that he has been passed by, do the right thing for a good kid and try to find him a place to play.
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07-02-2018, 11:33 AM
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#1011
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Lifetime Suspension
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sa226
Even if Brouwer had a resurgence and started to earn a fraction of that contract, he isn't really needed anymore. I don't even know where he fits.
But I'm willing to let Treliving try to save some face with that 2nd round pick with Lazar. He makes very little money and at this point is not a burden. He's still a younger guy and missed almost an entire year of development, so maybe he has room to grow. Give him a chance in camp, if it becomes clear that he has been passed by, do the right thing for a good kid and try to find him a place to play.
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He is a burden. He affects the play of his linemates. Slowing their development down.
And in turn thats a burden on the team as an entire line isnt playing well enough and costing us points and playoff revenues.
Time to cut your losses and play only those that contribute.
Doubtful Lazar gets lost on waivers too.
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07-02-2018, 11:54 AM
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#1012
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Scoring Winger
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I would like to see Monahan and Gaudreau split up. We know what that pairing is capable of and can always go back to them. They'd still see pp time together. There is enough talent at the top end of our forward group that both of them would be playing with skill.
Gaudreau-Backlund-Neal
Tkachuk-Monahan-Lindholm
Bennett-Carter-Frolik
Xxx-Jankowski-Czarnik
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07-02-2018, 11:56 AM
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#1013
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Franchise Player
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My lines today:
Gaudreau - Monahan - Neal
Tkachuk - Backlund - Lindholm
Bennet - Jankowski - Frolik
Foo - Ryan - Czarnik
Dube/Mangianapane
That means Lazar and Brouwer are gone
I really like Frolik with Jankowski and Bennett.
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07-02-2018, 12:12 PM
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#1014
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Calgary, AB
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Forwards:
Gaudreau - Monahan - Lindholm
Tkachuk - Ryan - Neal
Bennett - Backlund - Frolik
Dube - Jankowski - Czarnik
Lazar
Brouwer bought out.
Defense:
Giordano - Brodie
Hanifin - Hamonic
Andersson - Stone
Kulak
Goaltending:
Smith
Rittich
PP Unit #1:
Gaudreau - Monahan - Jankowski - Neal - Giordano
PP Unit #2:
Tkachuk - Ryan - Lindholm - Czarnik - Hanifin
PK Unit #1:
Backlund - Frolik - Giordano - Brodie
PK Unit #2:
Lindholm - Jankowski - Stone - Hamonic
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07-02-2018, 12:14 PM
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#1015
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: In the studio
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What would you guys say to Rick Nash if he said you know what I have 1 more year left in me and the Flames were able to clear Frolik+Brouwer+Lazar up front?
Gaudreau ~ Monahan ~ Lindholm
Tkachuk ~ Backlund ~ Neal
Nash ~ Ryan ~ Bennett
Mangiapane ~ Jankowski ~ Czarnik
Foo, Hathaway
The talk of Maroon in the other thread (when he clearly isn't coming here now which I realize) just got me thinking of absolutely stacking a team. If Rick Nash was healthy and willing to join a deep forward group it would be crazy! That line-up could be absolutely murderous.
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07-02-2018, 12:19 PM
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#1017
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada
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This has been so much fun to watch, I'm really looking forward to the start of the season and what I'd personally like to see materialize;
Gaudreau / Monahan / Neal
-An absolute no brainer, finally have a true RW sniper to play with our two best offensive forwards
Tkachuk / Lindholm / Bennett
-A great tenacious forecheck with grit, skill & finish
Frolik / Backlund / Ryan
-A super responsible shut down third line that is also able to put the puck in the net
Lazar / Jankowski / Czarnik
-Loads of speed on the wing, youthful exuberance, size and hopefully some pop. They just need to go out there and have fun
Brouwer just has extra forward written all over him, he hasn't shown anything and he isn't going to. If Tre can't move him then he needs to be a good teammate and just collect his paycheck while eating popcorn.
Mangiapane, Foo & Dube don't need 4th line NHL minutes, they will still benifit from top AHL duty and will be recalled to fill in should a top six player get injured
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07-02-2018, 12:21 PM
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#1018
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Crash and Bang Winger
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Red
Time to cut your losses and play only those that contribute.
Doubtful Lazar gets lost on waivers too.
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I bet Edmonton picks Lazar up in a heartbeat to try with McDavid after there success in the 2015 wjc.
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07-02-2018, 12:22 PM
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#1019
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Franchise Player
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Line A:
Gaudreau - Monahan - Neal
Line A acts much as it did last year with the clear upgrade of moving Neal in and Ferland out. Gaudreau and Monahan take a step forward with Neal being able to finish with a higher level of consistency than Ferly could.
Line B:
Bennett - Lindholm - Tkachuk
Line B acts a 2nd scoring line. Lindholm is our 2nd best face-off guy, and should play centre. Tkachuk playing on his off-wing in a more offensive role will work well. Bennett takes a step forward thanks to getting an opportunity with a new coach and the best line mates he's had in the NHL.
Line C:
Frolik - Backlund - Foo
Line C features Backs and Frolik continuing to act in a defensive role with Foo beating out Eatbread and Dube for the roster spot. Backs and Frolik have shown they can work with youth, and Foo being mentored by these two is a good way to start his NHL career.
Line D:
Jankowski - Ryan - Czarnik
Line D gives Jankowski and Ryan the ability to take face-offs on their strong sides while allowing Jankowski some breathing room as Ryan does the heavy lifting as the centre on the line. Czarnik adds offence to the line and makes this a very effective 5v5 line.
13th - 14th Forwards:
Lazar - Hathaway
Pairing A:
Giordano - Brodie
Pairing B:
Hanifin - Hamonic
Pairing C:
Kulak - Stone
Extra Defenceman:
Prout
Goalie A:
Smith
Goalie B:
Gillies
PP1:
Lindholm
Gaudreau - Monahan - Neal
Giordano
PP2:
Tkachuk
Czarnik - Ryan - Bennett/Jankowski/Backlund
Hanifin
PK1:
Backlund - Frolik
Giordano - Brodie
PK2:
Lindholm - Tkachuk
Hanifin - Hamonic
Andersson, Valimaki, Kylington, Mangiapane, Dube, Rittich, Parsons, Gawdin, Phillips, Shinkaruk, Klimchuk help build the Heat into a Calder Cup caliber team.
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07-02-2018, 12:23 PM
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#1020
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: YYC
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Wow. Just wow.
I'm having a hard time piecing together what the opening night roster will look like simply because of the depth, number of versatile forwards and the sheer excitement on what a player could look playing in different scenarios.
But my dream roster looks like this.
(1A) Gaudreau - Monahan - Neal
(2A) Tkachuk - Jankowski - Lindholm
(2B) Bennett - Backlund - Frolik
(4th) Mangiapane - Ryan - Czarnik
Lazar
Giordano - Brodie
Hanifin - Hamonic
Andersson - Stone
Kulak
Smith
Gilles
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