I'm just laughing my ass off how much she seems to trigger and rile up the angry right. She is like their kryptonite. The reactions have been comical and highly entertaining.
This is exactly why she’s being used as a pawn. If anyone criticizes her, they’re apparently “triggered”. It doesn’t matter that she’s in no way qualified to make her pronouncements, or that she hasn’t got any actual solutions anyway (if they were unqualified to begin with).
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She is a pawn from the perspective of the people against what she is standing for. If there was an antithesis of her, she would just be a proud young girl standing up for her views. You don’t see a lot of people decrying the same thing about Malala Yousafzai or worrying about her mental health.
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This is exactly why she’s being used as a pawn. If anyone criticizes her, they’re apparently “triggered”. It doesn’t matter that she’s in no way qualified to make her pronouncements, or that she hasn’t got any actual solutions anyway (if they were unqualified to begin with).
What qualifications does she require? She’s relaying the message to the world from those who have them. Isn’t that good enough?
I don’t know if she has solutions or not (like I said I don’t pay attention to what she says) but why would she need them? Do you have to know how to fight a fire before you can call the fire department?
Maybe she’s a pawn, maybe she’s not. The important thing is what she’s saying true. Attack her message if it’s untrue. Attacking her just shows me you can’t refute it.
She is a pawn from the perspective of the people against what she is standing for. If there was an antithesis of her, she would just be a proud young girl standing up for her views. You don’t see a lot of people decrying the same thing about Malala Yousafzai or worrying about her mental health.
Lol, come on. You’re equating a girl who was shot in the head and battles for girls education with a girl who decided that she’d protest for climate action? I mean they’re not remotely similar.
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What qualifications does she require? She’s relaying the message to the world from those who have them. Isn’t that good enough?
I don’t know if she has solutions or not (like I said I don’t pay attention to what she says) but why would she need them? Do you have to know how to fight a fire before you can call the fire department?
Maybe she’s a pawn, maybe she’s not. The important thing is what she’s saying true. Attack her message if it’s untrue. Attacking her just shows me you can’t refute it.
I don’t know, but when you meet the PM and tell everyone we aren’t doing enough, I think some qualifications might be pertinent. I guess it’s just me, but I think I prefer experts and people with education to make their comments.
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She is a pawn from the perspective of the people against what she is standing for. If there was an antithesis of her, she would just be a proud young girl standing up for her views. You don’t see a lot of people decrying the same thing about Malala Yousafzai or worrying about her mental health.
Malala grew up under a Taliban regime, literally risking her life to tell her story as a child, was shot in the head and continued her fight afterwards.
I’m not saying this young lady has it easy, as clearly she is mentally and emotionally worried to say the least. But to equate these two people is very, very unjust.
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Between this thread, my LinkedIn and facebook feeds the last month or so, there is a large group of people that have completely embarrassed themselves. We pride ourselves on the freedom of speech, yet when a teenager echoes the words of 1000s of scientists (whether right or wrong), a large group of people have elected to respond in a manner that is intended to intimidate, bully or be outright aggressive. It is embarrassing.
I understand that this results from fear that many have about their livelihoods and identity in their careers. However, this response of intimidation and attack of the person as opposed to the ideas is doing a huge disservice to the province and future. Alberta is not separating, the Canadian economy is not imminently crashing as a result of this, but we sure are putting ourselves in a huge hole by not having difficult conversations about this now and instead trying to spread a message of hate against a teenager.
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Between this thread, my LinkedIn and facebook feeds the last month or so, there is a large group of people that have completely embarrassed themselves. We pride ourselves on the freedom of speech, yet when a teenager echoes the words of 1000s of scientists (whether right or wrong), a large group of people have elected to respond in a manner that is intended to intimidate, bully or be outright aggressive. It is embarrassing.
I understand that this results from fear that many have about their livelihoods and identity in their careers. However, this response of intimidation and attack of the person as opposed to the ideas is doing a huge disservice to the province and future. Alberta is not separating, the Canadian economy is not imminently crashing as a result of this, but we sure are putting ourselves in a huge hole by not having difficult conversations about this now and instead trying to spread a message of hate against a teenager.
Won't someone please think of the children. Groan.
BTW if you want to find out what intimidation and bullying feels like, express even a little skepticism that climate change is as severe and dire and a person like Greta is saying. And please tell us what those ideas are.
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Won't someone please think of the children. Groan.
BTW if you want to find out what intimidation and bullying feels like, express even a little skepticism that climate change is as severe and dire and a person like Greta is saying. And please tell us what those ideas are.
I know when I feel bullied for questioning science, I look for the nearest teenager to take it out on. That’ll teach ‘em.
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This is exactly why she’s being used as a pawn. If anyone criticizes her, they’re apparently “triggered”. It doesn’t matter that she’s in no way qualified to make her pronouncements, or that she hasn’t got any actual solutions anyway (if they were unqualified to begin with).
But Slava, she's a teenager, she's drawing climate change to the forefront of discussion... that's it. Right or wrong, she's a vehicle for that global issue, like other climate activist in a growing global movement for action, which has been happening for a decade already. Expecting her to have all the solutions is quite unfair; not even senior, highly educated scientists do. To me, it's just funny how much she triggers the 'right', and particularly the right. It speaks more of a general state of partisan politics than anything.
Plus, this girl hasn't even been to Alberta yet; maybe she doesn't trash it in that way that people are thinking she will? None of us know her travel agenda or who she's meeting with. Maybe us, as Alberta citizens, should take the high route and take a 'wait and see' approach before deciding to criticize her?
What we do know is that Calgary City Council and the Tsuu T'ina Nation have already invited her to visit them while here:
Councillor invites activist Greta Thunberg to Calgary during Alberta visit
It doesn’t matter that she’s in no way qualified to make her pronouncements, or that she hasn’t got any actual solutions anyway (if they were unqualified to begin with).
Nobody listens to the qualified people. What makes someone qualified? You can accuse anyone of being unqualified. The 'experts' are experts in their narrow fields...the emissions guy doesn't know enough about the economics; the economics guy doesn't know enough about public policy; the policy guy doesn't know enough about oceanography, etc. Bill Nye has been one decent spokesperson, but you could easily argue that he is unqualified.
They have done an decent job of bringing their knowledge together and figuring what is likely to happen in scenarios A through Z. They've probably done an almost okay job of coming up with [relatively] pragmatic plans that could help correct course, but this is a pretty darn tough thing to do considering the innumerable interests and variables involved. What they've utterly failed to do is get many people to actually care [very much].
Enter Greta. Certainly she is unqualified - probably moreso than most who have come before her. But, she has succeeded in one area where all others have failed - she has gotten more people to demonstrate that they care about this than ever before.
Cynically, you can say that anger and frustration are the easiest emotions to exploit. You can also say that she has used a lot of hyperbole and idealism. You can also say that these protests are unproductive.
All of these things are true, so we might as well pack it in and go home. Nitpicking Greta is really just advocating apathy. Which is pretty silly when you really think about it. What major social reforms have occurred without anger, hyperbole, idealism, and a bunch of unproductive protests?
Nobody listens to the qualified people. What makes someone qualified? You can accuse anyone of being unqualified. The 'experts' are experts in their narrow fields...the emissions guy doesn't know enough about the economics; the economics guy doesn't know enough about public policy; the policy guy doesn't know enough about oceanography, etc. Bill Nye has been one decent spokesperson, but you could easily argue that he is unqualified.
They have done an decent job of bringing their knowledge together and figuring what is likely to happen in scenarios A through Z. They've probably done an almost okay job of coming up with [relatively] pragmatic plans that could help correct course, but this is a pretty darn tough thing to do considering the innumerable interests and variables involved. What they've utterly failed to do is get many people to actually care [very much].
Enter Greta. Certainly she is unqualified - probably moreso than most who have come before her. But, she has succeeded in one area where all others have failed - she has gotten more people to demonstrate that they care about this than ever before.
Cynically, you can say that anger and frustration are the easiest emotions to exploit. You can also say that she has used a lot of hyperbole and idealism. You can also say that these protests are unproductive.
All of these things are true, so we might as well pack it in and go home. Nitpicking Greta is really just advocating apathy. Which is pretty silly when you really think about it. What major social reforms have occurred without anger, hyperbole, idealism, and a bunch of unproductive protests?
I just don’t agree that no one listens to experts. We all know about climate change and we all know we need to take some action to deal with it. What that action should be and what we need to do is the debate. I could be wrong, but I don’t think Greta has added to that portion of the discussion at all?
But Slava, she's a teenager, she's drawing climate change to the forefront of discussion... that's it. Right or wrong, she's a vehicle for that global issue, like other climate activist in a growing global movement for action, which has been happening for a decade already. Expecting her to have all the solutions is quite unfair; not even senior, highly educated scientists do. To me, it's just funny how much she triggers the 'right', and particularly the right. It speaks more of a general state of partisan politics than anything.
Plus, this girl hasn't even been to Alberta yet; maybe she doesn't trash it in that way that people are thinking she will? None of us know her travel agenda or who she's meeting with. Maybe us, as Alberta citizens, should take the high route and take a 'wait and see' approach before deciding to criticize her?
What we do know is that Calgary City Council and the Tsuu T'ina Nation have already invited her to visit them while here:
Councillor invites activist Greta Thunberg to Calgary during Alberta visit
I just don’t agree that no one listens to experts. We all know about climate change and we all know we need to take some action to deal with it. What that action should be and what we need to do is the debate. I could be wrong, but I don’t think Greta has added to that portion of the discussion at all?
Yes she has, says we already have the solution. Apparently the most challenging endeavour in history has been solved we can replace all carbon heavy energy with carbon neutral green solutions.
Oh I have no doubt that no matter what we do or say she's going to trash us.
What if, in a plot twist, she's been sent by the WWE to surprise announce the new NXT Canada brand, establishing the Legion downtown as the brand's new home, ala Full Sail University?
I mean, no one has denied it thus far.
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