10-31-2018, 09:17 AM
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Player Underlying Stats Summary
Halloween Version: Positives
Took the various stats of all kinds and then a ranking of each to deem what players are dominating what groups of stats. Groups being what they generate, what they give up, and the differential or split.
In what they generate (CF, SCF, HDCF / 60)
1. Hamonic
2. Tkachuk
3. Backlund
4. Czarnik
5. Bennett
6. Hanifin
7. Giordano
8. Lindholm
9. Monahan
10. Gaudreau
In what they give up (CA, SCA, HDCA / 60)
1. Czarnik
2. Hamonic
3. Ryan
4. Frolik
5. Giordano
6. Brodie
7. Dube
8. Backlund
9. Valimaki
10. Bennett
Splits or differentials
1. Czarnik
2. Hamonic
3. Backlund
4. Bennett
5. Tkachuk
6. Frolik
7. Giordano
8. Brodie
9. Valimaki
10. Neal
Thoughts ...
Hamonic missed a bunch of games and is still inflated from that initial Vancouver game somewhat. He makes the minimal minutes but it's likely he settles in to more normal numbers. What can't be argued is that he's had a great start to his season compared to last year.
Czarnik missed a bunch of the Flames stinkers so his numbers are higher relative to some given that and his tie to the 3M line.
Getting worried that we are seeing a repeat from 3M this year; carry the play but don't score.
Bennett makes all three lists which is something given his past two years.
Negatives
In what they generate
20. Hathawawy
19. Ryan
18. Dube
17. Andersson
16. Valimaki
In What they Give up
20. Monahan
19. Andersson
18. Gaudreau
17. Hanifin
16. Stone
Differentials
20. Hathaway
19. Andersson
18. Jankowski
17. Ryan
16. Monahan
Thoughts ...
They're giving Andersson a long rope to learn on the job. Can't blame them as I'm seeing a lot of the same potential things. But his numbers aren't great when you get down to it.
Top line bleeding chances (improving)
Hathaway due to come out of the lineup?
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10-31-2018, 09:23 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Paradise
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Would be interesting to factor in Zone starts somehow.
Janko and Ryan not doing much, but not sure if thats effected by where they are deployed.
Last edited by Samonadreau; 10-31-2018 at 09:26 AM.
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10-31-2018, 09:27 AM
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Most sheltered ...
1. Valimaki
2. Frolik
3. Tkachuk (that's a change)
4. Monahan
5. Stone
6. Gaudreau
7. Andersson
8. Jankowski
9. Backlund
10. Brodie
Least Sheltered
1. Hanifin (complete opposite of his time in Carolina)
2. Ryan
3. Neal
4. Giordano
5. Lindholm
6. Bennett (on all these lists in a favourable way)
7. Hathaway
8. Dube (impressive for a rookie)
9. Czarnik
10. Hamonic
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10-31-2018, 09:30 AM
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#4
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Paradise
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So Zone starts may explain Ryan being a non factor offensively. Janko on the other hand.....
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10-31-2018, 09:31 AM
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#5
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2005
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Hathaway needs to come out
Jankowski needs to do more.
Please out Czarnik in for Hathaway and let him work out of his slump or Peter's doghouse.
I'm impressed by last night as that was a team effort and teaches these guys to never give up .
I like what Peter's is doing and how he immediately addresses issues. He's a keeper.
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10-31-2018, 09:56 AM
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Back in Calgary!!
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I see the 3M line as a bit of an issue. We love Backlund, and Frolik is a helluva reliable player. But neither of them are very good at creating offense. Only Tkachuk is.
You know that they are a line matching warm blanket, but they need to create more offense.
Easiest way to balance imo is move Lindholm to their RW. But he is so damn good on the top line.
The only other thing that could alleviate their issues is if the 3rd line gets going.
Once again we're looking a bit top heavy. Need more out of the rest of the roster.
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10-31-2018, 10:02 AM
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary
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They need to put Neal on the second line with Tkachuk-Backlund
I want to see the James "Real Deal" Neal, not a 3rd line James "Fate Seal, Same Feel" Neal
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10-31-2018, 10:02 AM
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#9
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sa226
I see the 3M line as a bit of an issue. We love Backlund, and Frolik is a helluva reliable player. But neither of them are very good at creating offense. Only Tkachuk is.
You know that they are a line matching warm blanket, but they need to create more offense.
Easiest way to balance imo is move Lindholm to their RW. But he is so damn good on the top line.
The only other thing that could alleviate their issues is if the 3rd line gets going.
Once again we're looking a bit top heavy. Need more out of the rest of the roster.
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Peters put Neal on the Backlund line halfway through the game and to my eye it looked pretty good. I'd put him there for a while to see what happens.
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10-31-2018, 10:14 AM
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GioforPM
Peters put Neal on the Backlund line halfway through the game and to my eye it looked pretty good. I'd put him there for a while to see what happens.
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Yeah and Jankowski pretty much sat late, ... Bennett got misused somewhat as I thought he was really going, but got left with scraps.
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10-31-2018, 10:55 AM
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#12
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#1 Goaltender
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The more I see advanced stats through the years he more I discredit them. That said they definitely support Hamonic play. Guy has been a beast so far.
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10-31-2018, 11:02 AM
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#13
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Can someone remind me why Hathaway has been in the lineup in the first place? He was a nice story a few years ago when inserted in the lineup a bit of a good luck charm but over the course of last season and into this one he's the very definition of replacement player. He should really only get in the lineup in the case of injury replacement or when one of the other forwards is downright terrible and deserves a night in the pressbox. He should not be a regular player for any NHL team.
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10-31-2018, 11:06 AM
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Team Chart:
Flames 5on5 / 60 minutes VS the 16th best team (bubble) in each category.
Really points to where the team needs to improve, and the fact that they've taken steps in the right direction.
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10-31-2018, 11:16 AM
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
Can someone remind me why Hathaway has been in the lineup in the first place? He was a nice story a few years ago when inserted in the lineup a bit of a good luck charm but over the course of last season and into this one he's the very definition of replacement player. He should really only get in the lineup in the case of injury replacement or when one of the other forwards is downright terrible and deserves a night in the pressbox. He should not be a regular player for any NHL team.
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We don't have anyone else with the potential to put up FP/60 like he does. At least no one that can actually keep up with the play.
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10-31-2018, 11:31 AM
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Monahan For Mayor
The more I see advanced stats through the years he more I discredit them. That said they definitely support Hamonic play. Guy has been a beast so far.
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That's the thing, you can't really discredit them as they're simple counts.
You can ignore them.
You can argue their importance
But you stand little chance in discrediting them.
I wish the words "advanced" and "fancy" were never added to something so bloody simple.
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10-31-2018, 11:33 AM
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Franchise Player
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I would love to have a consistent Dube-Ryan-Frolik 4th line. The strength of all of these guys is that they can be plug and played upand down the lineup without a signifcant negative reaction to where they land. That, and they could be a real matchup problem for other coaches to deal with.
It would also shelter Frolik less to be with those two, and tougher assignments. I don't think he needs to be sheltered, but perhaps his usage more appropriate.
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10-31-2018, 11:39 AM
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Norm!
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I love Dube and what he does, he seems a bit snake bitten. Would it be smart to send him to the AHL for a bit to get his scoring confidence up and bring up someone like a Mangiapane for a look see?
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10-31-2018, 11:41 AM
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
Can someone remind me why Hathaway has been in the lineup in the first place? He was a nice story a few years ago when inserted in the lineup a bit of a good luck charm but over the course of last season and into this one he's the very definition of replacement player. He should really only get in the lineup in the case of injury replacement or when one of the other forwards is downright terrible and deserves a night in the pressbox. He should not be a regular player for any NHL team.
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I agree. I have never been impressed with Hathaway, but also thought he looked good in his first game or two this season. But he really should not be in any more than a handful of games unless filling in for an injured player. My hope is that Czarnik gets back into the lineup, and Hathaway takes a seat for a while.
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10-31-2018, 11:41 AM
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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One thing I get out of this -- Ryan is the Flames' most exposed forward, yet he's second only to Czarnik in terms of allowing the least amount of chances.
That's good stuff.
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