What will Sam Bennett get?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

I now beleive he will get 5 x 5.

Wizard sauce

That contract sucks

[Par]

The longer this goes on, the more I think that it is about the quality of Sam Bennett's line mates. The contract that Sam Bennett should get should be a bridge deal, something like $3.5 Million for 3 Years would be good for both sides (a show me deal) but there is more to this.

Bennett's side is probably saying that there is no way that he is carrying around useless 4th liners, that will bring him down. And the Flames are probably saying, there are no guarantees of that.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by Par

The longer this goes on, the more I think that it is about the quality of Sam Bennett's line mates. The contract that Sam Bennett should get should be a bridge deal, something like $3.5 Million for 3 Years would be good for both sides (a show me deal) but there is more to this.

Bennett's side is probably saying that there is no way that he is carrying around useless 4th liners, that will bring him down. And the Flames are probably saying, there are no guarantees of that.

that or the delay is just on the length of the deal.
I'm thinking what would be fair is 3 years, 10 million.
2 mil for year one
3.5 for year two
4.5 for year 3

[Kipper_3434]

I think it's pretty obvious that Treliving is the one delaying things. Bennett's camp isn't raising their asking price as the off-season goes on. Treliving has showed last year that he has no problem taking his time with negotiations. I bet he has multiple offers on the table for Bennett to choose from. Something like 2x2 3x2.5 and 8x5m

Bennett might be waiting to see if the offer goes up. But it won't. Treliving has shown that he won't damage this teams long term cap situation, when he played hardball with Johnny. I also think he lowered Bennett's leverage by buying out Bouma and that helped with Ferland negotiations and now this one. It will get done, Tre knows Bennett is way too competitive to miss out on hockey. I'm not worried and am actually excited to see the final numbers.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

I think it's pretty obvious that Treliving is the one delaying things. Bennett's camp isn't raising their asking price as the off-season goes on. Treliving has showed last year that he has no problem taking his time with negotiations. I bet he has multiple offers on the table for Bennett to choose from. Something like 2x2 3x2.5 and 8x5m

Bennett might be waiting to see if the offer goes up. But it won't. Treliving has shown that he won't damage this teams long term cap situation, when he played hardball with Johnny. I also think he lowered Bennett's leverage by buying out Bouma and that helped with Ferland negotiations and now this one. It will get done, Tre knows Bennett is way too competitive to miss out on hockey. I'm not worried and am actually excited to see the final numbers.

Treliving in my opinion screwed up substantially by forcing Gaudreau to stick with the Gio cap and therefore only get a 6 year deal. The talk was all Treliving had to do to get the 8 years was match the Tarasenko deal and for a measly $750k per the Flames have Gaudreau cost controlled for another 2 years.


Perhaps Treliving gets the cap number right where he wants it but is forced to take a 2 year deal. In 2 years the Flames would have to sign Tkachuk, Bennett and a number 1 goalie. There are not a lot of deals with only 2 years left outside those 3 players. Losing one of Bennett or Tkachuk is a possibility at that time.

If Treliving can get him on a 3 year deal would have Bennett, Brodie, Hamonic, Stone, Brouwer, Frolik all expiring. Let the last 3 walk and use that much net to sign the first 3.


Now I am also a believer that Stone and or Frolik will be moved before their court tracts expire to recoup a 2nd rounder or 2 that are gone. If something happens and those games layers regress and become unmovable like Brouwer the Flames could be squeezed right for cap space at a time they need to re-sign their youngest building blocks.

[Fire]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Treliving in my opinion screwed up substantially by forcing Gaudreau to stick with the Gio cap and therefore only get a 6 year deal. The talk was all Treliving had to do to get the 8 years was match the Tarasenko deal and for a measly $750k per the Flames have Gaudreau cost controlled for another 2 years.


Perhaps Treliving gets the cap number right where he wants it but is forced to take a 2 year deal. In 2 years the Flames would have to sign Tkachuk, Bennett and a number 1 goalie. There are not a lot of deals with only 2 years left outside those 3 players. Losing one of Bennett or Tkachuk is a possibility at that time.

If Treliving can get him on a 3 year deal would have Bennett, Brodie, Hamonic, Stone, Brouwer, Frolik all expiring. Let the last 3 walk and use that much net to sign the first 3.


Now I am also a believer that Stone and or Frolik will be moved before their court tracts expire to recoup a 2nd rounder or 2 that are gone. If something happens and those games layers regress and become unmovable like Brouwer the Flames could be squeezed right for cap space at a time they need to re-sign their youngest building blocks.

Way to early to say the length of Gaudreau's contract was a mistake. Gaudreau's best years will come under this contract. At the end of the contract, his play might drop off and you might be happy the Flames aren't stuck with two more years a $7.5. Many 8 year deals look good at the start but look like albatrosses near the end.

I doubt Frolik is traded before his contract is done, but I do see Stone being traded as early as next off-season.

[Samonadreau]

Closest comparible is Ryan Strome who had more points but had the Tavares bump, he got a 2x2.5.
If Flames want the third year and guve him a decent bump both sides should be happy.

Y1 2M
Y2 3M
Y3 5M
3 x 3.33

Obviously signed its more like 3, 3.33, 3.67 to help with the threat of arb.

I dont know, what am i missing?

[Gaudfather]

Feels like this is the week that Tre announces the Bennett contract. hoping so anyway.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Darren Dreger @DarrenDreger
·
5m
Still a sizable gap in contract talks between the Flames and Sam Bennett. Possibility Bennett heads overseas until a deal in Calgary is done

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Darren Dreger @DarrenDreger
·
5m
Still a sizable gap in contract talks between the Flames and Sam Bennett. Possibility Bennett heads overseas until a deal in Calgary is done

If the end result is another player like Gio, I am all for it....

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

If the end result is another player like Gio, I am all for it....

Arrogant Mark Giordano. Good Riddance.

[Iniggywetrust]

Originally Posted by Iniggywetrust

I think so those options are too high. Bennett has proven nothing to suggest he should get more than 2 million on a 2 year deal.

My guess is 2 years at 1.75 per year.

Came to shamelessly quote my own prediction. While not entirely accurate on the number. I knew it would be worth less then 2 mil per year.

[robaur]

I voted for 2 years $4M.

I have come to collect my trophy.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by robaur

I voted for 2 years $4M.

I have come to collect my trophy.

I believe there are 49 of us who are always right.

[thymebalm]

My post from August 12 in this thread.

Originally Posted by thymebalm

...
I think It's a short term deal. 1x1.75-9 2x1.9-2.1. I just can't see him having any leverage to ask for more.

[Gaudfather]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

I believe there are 49 of us who are always right.

Congrats to the 49 who called the two year deal. There were 319 of us on the two year option who underestimated Trelivings' Scrooginess!

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Treliving in my opinion screwed up substantially by forcing Gaudreau to stick with the Gio cap and therefore only get a 6 year deal. The talk was all Treliving had to do to get the 8 years was match the Tarasenko deal and for a measly $750k per the Flames have Gaudreau cost controlled for another 2 years.


Perhaps Treliving gets the cap number right where he wants it but is forced to take a 2 year deal. In 2 years the Flames would have to sign Tkachuk, Bennett and a number 1 goalie. There are not a lot of deals with only 2 years left outside those 3 players. Losing one of Bennett or Tkachuk is a possibility at that time.

If Treliving can get him on a 3 year deal would have Bennett, Brodie, Hamonic, Stone, Brouwer, Frolik all expiring. Let the last 3 walk and use that much net to sign the first 3.


Now I am also a believer that Stone and or Frolik will be moved before their court tracts expire to recoup a 2nd rounder or 2 that are gone. If something happens and those games layers regress and become unmovable like Brouwer the Flames could be squeezed right for cap space at a time they need to re-sign their youngest building blocks.

When Treliving has to negotiate Bennett and Tkachuk in two years, he's going to be able to point to Gio, Johnny and Monahan as players who took less than $7M.

Bennett and Tkachuk have to be the two best players on the team to get north of $7M on their next deals. Which is great for us if that happens, but I don't see either being able to do enough to say they deserve more than Johnny or Gio.

Treliving may have given up two years of control on Johnny, but he also protected his cap from our next wave of contracts.

[Yrebmi]

Originally Posted by Gaudfather

Congrats to the 49 who called the two year deal. There were 319 of us on the two year option who underestimated Trelivings' Scrooginess!

Funny how that number is now 51.
I wonder if those 2 voters feel clever voting post facto

[robaur]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

I believe there are 49 of us who are always right.

Well played, my friend.

[1qqaaz]

It's always nice when the contract ends up being cheaper than the cheapest option on the poll.