09-13-2015, 09:15 AM
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Alberta boy shoots bear for his 9th birthday [Split from Gear Grinders]
This....
https://www.thedodo.com/dad-son-kill...342991733.html
...really grinds me. I hope a lot of bad stuff happens to this guy.
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09-13-2015, 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by OMG!WTF!
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Why?
He did nothing illegal or IMO immoral.
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09-13-2015, 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Ben_in_Canada
Why?
He did nothing illegal or IMO immoral.
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I am not sure about this jurisdiction, but baiting is illegal in some areas.
Morally, it is a matter of opinion.
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09-13-2015, 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Ben_in_Canada
Why?
He did nothing illegal or IMO immoral.
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Why? Because my opinion of what is moral is completely different from anything you currently understand.
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09-13-2015, 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Ben_in_Canada
Why?
He did nothing illegal or IMO immoral.
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It's just a generally disgusting act to a lot of people. It doesn't take more than a slight bit of empathy or world (or even local) knowledge to know there are hoards of people who adamantly despise trophy hunting.
But you knew the answer before you asked why.
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09-14-2015, 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by OMG!WTF!
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Baiting game is a special sort of cowardice. Too scared to actively track and stalk an animal so they use the one thing hungry animals can't resist; food. Then they shoot the animal from 20 feet in the air.
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09-14-2015, 12:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Reaper
Baiting game is a special sort of cowardice. Too scared to actively track and stalk an animal so they use the one thing hungry animals can't resist; food. Then they shoot the animal from 20 feet in the air.
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Mreh. I'm not against baiting per say. In cases of animals that hunting season is open for population control (or food, I guess), a clean kill is better than not, which baiting could help.
Baiting for trophy hunting? Completely against. Baiting for trophy hunting of a species that takes 25 years to repopulate? I have no words.
Either way, I wish I never clicked on the link while having my morning cup of coffee. Very few things I've clicked on from CP have literally made me want to vomit.
Last edited by DownhillGoat; 09-14-2015 at 01:48 AM.
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09-14-2015, 01:14 AM
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Hunting for food is one thing.
Trophy hunting just makes no sense to me. What is so fun about killing something for absolutely no reason? Just seems psychotic to me.
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09-14-2015, 03:19 AM
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Originally Posted by N-E-B
Hunting for food is one thing.
Trophy hunting just makes no sense to me. What is so fun about killing something for absolutely no reason? Just seems psychotic to me.
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Developmentally (socially, emotionally, or physically) weaker people seeking to have a greater feeling of control or substance by taking the life of something else.
I assume that trophy hunters and serial killers have many common traits. Killing for thrill and to fill in the gaps of deep issues. On the positive side, I guess you could be happy they chose animals instead of people?
Maybe they could just use knives instead... or have trophy hunter vs. trophy hunter and take the animals out of the equation.
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09-14-2015, 03:52 AM
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Originally Posted by OMG!WTF!
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What grinds my gears is the comment section on that video.
If they used the meat, I don't see what's wrong with it.
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09-14-2015, 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted by N-E-B
Hunting for food is one thing.
Trophy hunting just makes no sense to me. What is so fun about killing something for absolutely no reason? Just seems psychotic to me.
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It doesn't seem psychotic. It is.
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09-14-2015, 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by doctajones428
What grinds my gears is the comment section on that video.
If they used the meat, I don't see what's wrong with it.
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That's the thing, Dad is a professional outfitter, you would have to assume the animal was properly harvested.
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09-14-2015, 11:03 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by doctajones428
What grinds my gears is the comment section on that video.
If they used the meat, I don't see what's wrong with it.
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Bear meat is the most vile thing I have ever tasted. Worse than ground squirrel.
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09-14-2015, 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Ben_in_Canada
That's the thing, Dad is a professional outfitter, you would have to assume the animal was properly harvested.
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That's not the thing. Bear baiting is legal in some places in Alberta but illegal almost everywhere else in North America. And I'm fairly sure the spirit of the laws that allow you to shoot bears on your property (protection) and allows you to bait bears, does not mean baiting them on to your property. As much as these dummies think it's controlling the population, it's patently not. The guy is feeding bears "honey, cookies and grain with a lot of deep fryer grease" on his own property after they haven't eaten for six months. That's ######ed. The kid is thrilled that there are seven other bears hanging around waiting to get shot too. All of those bears are good as dead. That's not predator control. He's creating problem bears on his own land. And he's creating thrill seeker kids. It's one thing to provide your kid with thrilling experiences that can be replicated and built upon to create a meaningful and fulfilling life. It's another entirely to get off on pot shooting big animals. The reward to effort ratio is dangerous. How do you top a sure thing? What are you going to do when the kid turns 10? The kid literally says "seven more to go!". This is why people become addicts and psychopaths. The problem is not hunting at all. I respect ethical hunters. It's the method and the motivation here that is pathetic.
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09-14-2015, 12:54 PM
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I don't hunt, have nothing against it, but baiting? Way to take all sportsmanship out of it
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09-14-2015, 12:57 PM
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that little boy is a man now, i'm sure the father is very proud he was able to pull a trigger on a baited bear up in a perch
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09-14-2015, 12:58 PM
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Who lets a 9 year old shoot anything?
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09-14-2015, 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Resurrection
It doesn't seem psychotic. It is.
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I think trophy hunting is pretty sad. But let's have some perspective here. It has come to be regarded as immoral only recently, and only by a fraction of the people on earth today. Go back 100 years and I doubt you'd find more than a handful of people in the world who had a problem with hunting for pleasure. Presumably you don't believe 98 per cent of the people who have walked the planet were psychotic, do you?
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09-14-2015, 01:13 PM
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Minimum age for hunting in Alberta is 12 but apparently if it's on private land, it's legal for this 9-year-old with adult supervision.
As a hunter myself, I find the whole thing distasteful.
My family has taken bears before, though very rarely and would never bait. We use the animal. I don't mind bear meat if it's prepared properly but it isn't to everyone's liking.
Just my personal opinion but I would like to see the loophole closed and not allow anyone under the age of 12 to hunt regardless of where it is. I would also prefer to see bear baiting banned outright.
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09-14-2015, 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by habernac
Who lets a 9 year old shoot anything?
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That part I see no issue with.
Why not? Grew up in a rural area, that's not uncommon. We used to hunt gophers off farm land as kids, and lots of parents took their kids out hunting and fishing at a young age (maybe not quite that young, but close). I used to take the .22 out to hunt pop cans around that age. Don't see an issue.
To me that's no different than saying who lets a 9 year-old ski, or help mow the lawn, or ride a bike. If he's supervised fine.
The rest of the story I still take issue with though.
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