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Old 10-22-2017, 10:51 AM   #201
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But he's been a beast in his own end, winning puck battles, stick always in the right place to break up the pass, winning the majority of face offs, clearing the puck out of the zone, coming back and supporting the D when they are hemmed in..



But he has no points so he's trash... he's a 3rd line Center who is rounding out his defensive game at 21 years old. That's a win in my books.

Also had a terrible read in the neutral zone that led to the game tying goal against. He makes a lot of boneheaded plays. I don’t see his IQ as having improved since he got drafted. Combine that with his lack of confidence causing plays to die on his stick a lot offensively. He hasn’t been good at all at either end of the rink.

I really hope he can put it together but he should be showing more at this point in his development. It could still happen, here’s hoping.
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Old 10-22-2017, 10:58 AM   #202
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But he's been a beast in his own end, winning puck battles, stick always in the right place to break up the pass, winning the majority of face offs, clearing the puck out of the zone, coming back and supporting the D when they are hemmed in..

But he has no points so he's trash... he's a 3rd line Center who is rounding out his defensive game at 21 years old. That's a win in my books.
I never said he was trash. But this team clearly has a vision for Bennett and centre, and this team is not going to go anywhere without scoring from its third line. A couple goals from the third line might be the difference in 6-2 or 5-3 rather than 4-4
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Old 10-22-2017, 11:44 AM   #203
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Mony and JG are both on Pace for career seasons...I think their chemistry is fine.
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Old 10-22-2017, 11:48 AM   #204
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But he's been a beast in his own end, winning puck battles, stick always in the right place to break up the pass, winning the majority of face offs, clearing the puck out of the zone, coming back and supporting the D when they are hemmed in..

But he has no points so he's trash... he's a 3rd line Center who is rounding out his defensive game at 21 years old. That's a win in my books.
I’m not sure you’re watching the same game as me because from what I can see, he and his line have been the absolute worst line by far this season. They’ve generated virtually zero at even strength this season, they have the worst +/-, they’re constantly hemmed in their own zone and Sam Bennett personally has made a few mistakes that have cost his team important goals in the last couple games. He was schooled on Jeff Skinner’s goal against Carolina and he made a bad read in the neutral zone last night that cost his team the lead.

Right now, I think it’s obvious that he’s playing above his head at the center position and a change needs to be made by a very stubborn management group. These are the same guys who thought Markus Granlund couldn’t play wing so they traded him to the Canucks and now he lead his team in goals per game last season and would’ve been good for 2nd on our team in goals last season. As good of a job as this management group has done, they need to stop being so stubborn and think outside the box a little bit. We’ve already lost wingers like Paul Byron, Sven Baertschi, Markus Granlund and as an already winger starved team, we don’t need to lose Sam Bennett too.
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Old 10-22-2017, 11:53 AM   #205
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But this team clearly has a vision for Bennett and centre, and this team is not going to go anywhere without scoring from its third line. A couple goals from the third line might be the difference in 6-2 or 5-3 rather than 4-4
Sure. But the third line is not one player, it is three players(and really, it's five players, because defensemen are not playing independent of the forwards and when one of those guys is Bartkowski you have an automatic handicap).

Bennett has his share of the "blame" (gripping his stick too tightly, stick infractions, or even just... falling down) but the people drawing parallels between that and his struggle at his position are kind of... not watching shift-for-shift. He's also botched a 2-on-0 with Lazar. You just shake your head and move on, not try to "fix" that kind of thing.

Here's what we know about the players to see ice time on the Bennett line:

Tkachuk - has set Bennett up a few times. Set up Hamilton for a goal that a few of us thought was Bennett's assist, until it wasn't. Got sprung by Bennett on a breakaway where he missed the net. Basically good things consistently happened.

Gaudreau - had his best game vs Winnipeg with Bennett and Lazar. Didn't see a whole lot of time with Bennett though.

Versteeg - He has not been good with the puck this season, especially at ES. Has been turning pucks over left and right in offensive zone without creating many assists or shots. 3 of his 4 points have come on the PP and his lone ES point was a series of great plays by Ferland, then Brodie, then Monahan where his goal was perhaps the easiest play of his season. Also had a terrible 4v4 defensive play in the Sens game. He needs to play better because based on his play right now I'm not even sure 19 year old Matthew Phillips would necessarily be worse with the same opportunity. Heck 19 year old Kailer Yamamoto is basically matching him up north. His most glorious chance outside of the aformentioned Monahan one was when Bennett tossed the puck to the front of the net and Versteeg just had to knock it in, I believe vs OTT.

Jagr - still looking for his first goal of the season despite already nearly caught up to Bennett in power play time (In less games, on the superior unit). I'd argue that even with all that PP time he's gotten, and the ice time he's gotten with Gaudreau and Monahan at ES.. the single best opportunity to score a goal he got was against Ottawa when Bennett set him up on the door step from behind the net. That was a glorious chance for anybody, never mind top 5 player of all time.

Lazar - He has had opportunities with Gaudreau and Monahan and did nothing with them either. He has had opportunities with Gaudreau and Bennett and probably played his best hockey. He hasn't played well with Versteeg and Bennett. Seemed to play well with Ferland and Bennett last night. He's the ultimate mystery box who hasn't been especially good but has shown flashes. What can you really say about Lazar? Is Bennett dragging him down?

Ferland - I'm a huge fan, but he played himself off the first line to start the season with bad giveaways on the breakout and passing up shots. I chalk it up to a slow start but it's not like he played too differently with Versteeg and Bennett - his poor play was on him. Played well with Bennett and Lazar last night and ultimately saw himself back up with Gaudreau and Monahan the minute he looked like himself - which is par for the course as any winger playing well on the 3rd line gets moved up to Gaudreau's line to see if that'll work. Also had a groin injury which may or may not still be affecting him.

Brouwer - Sure, he's played decently lately, but game 1(his only one with Bennett)? He was without a doubt the worst player on the ice. You're lying if you don't think that.

It's been a combination of things. Jankowski won't be immune to these things unless everyone suddenly starts.. playing better. And if Bennett is struggling, what makes people think a guy gripping his stick is the guy you want to add to Gaudreau and Monahan, who haven't set up a goal with any winger except maybe Frolik, who doesn't ever play with Bennett, and Brouwer, last night, improbably having his single best game as a Flame? Ferland, Lazar, and Jagr are all still looking for Gaudreau and Monahan to "give" them a goal on the wing, and none of them are gripping their sticks like Bennett is. Or is Bennett the 3LW? How did Bennett fare at 3LW during his slump in December 2015-ish? Yeah, that was the month or so leading up the monkey-off-the-back goal.
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Old 10-22-2017, 11:54 AM   #206
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I’m not sure you’re watching the same game as me because from what I can see, he and his line have been the absolute worst line by far this season. They’ve generated virtually zero at even strength this season, they have the worst +/-, they’re constantly hemmed in their own zone and Sam Bennett personally has made a few mistakes that have cost his team important goals in the last couple games. He was schooled on Jeff Skinner’s goal against Carolina and he made a bad read in the neutral zone last night that cost his team the lead.

Right now, I think it’s obvious that he’s playing above his head at the center position and a change needs to be made by a very stubborn management group. These are the same guys who thought Markus Granlund couldn’t play wing so they traded him to the Canucks and now he lead his team in goals per game last season and would’ve been good for 2nd on our team in goals last season. As good of a job as this management group has done, they need to stop being so stubborn and think outside the box a little bit. We’ve already lost wingers like Paul Byron, Sven Baertschi, Markus Granlund and as an already winger starved team, we don’t need to lose Sam Bennett too.
His linemates this year:

Versteeg - glorified PP specialist.
Lazar - energy guy.
Ferland - disinterested energy guy who got kicked off the 1st line for not doing anything.

I wish Bennett could be the catalyst on a line all by himself, but yeah - he can't do it right now. The hope has to be that Tree can get someone up on that line that can help it click. Could be that Jankowski is that guy - it would also be a lot of fun if we managed to swing for the fences on a guy like Duchene or something, but that seems unlikely.

Every good line we have is built on a tandem - Gaudrea/Monahan, Backlund/Frolik, Bennett/?????

It looks like Jagr and Tkachuk will turn those first two tandems into trios, which is awesome. It also leaves Bennett alone on that 3rd line. At this stage, I hope Jankowski is up on the 3rd line by Tuesday's game Vs. the Preds, because that line - not just Bennett - needs help. I'd love to see Hathaway pulled up as well.

Gaudreau - Monahan - Jagr
Tkachuk - Backlund - Frolik
Bennett - Jankowski - Hathaway
Versteeg - Lazar - Brouwer
Ferland, Stajan
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I wouldn't mind seeing Lazar, Bennett and Brouwer. Brouwer is a bit rejuvenated. He skated well last night and set up Monahan nicely. Lazar had a good game, plays a heavy game and has offensive instinct.

I think they are trying to force plays to Jagr, partly because he is in decent position. Jagr finish is still off. But Bennett could be the top line winger they are looking for.
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Old 10-22-2017, 12:28 PM   #208
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No Flames fan hates Bennett. We all want the pick to work out and him becomig a star but so far besides the 4 goal game and couple playoff games he hasn’t shown much. Critism is warranted. He needs to step up.
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Still missing that game breaker, they completely dominated the Wild for most of the game and couldn’t find a way to bury them. Not saying Jankowski will be that guy but it’s blatantly obvious that he should be with the big club.
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Old 10-22-2017, 02:12 PM   #210
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It's so funny.. I was and am the one to always question the "Gilmour Comparison" to Bennett and was Flamed for questioning it..

Now that I have taken the time to really watch Bennett and pay particular attention to what he is doing on the ice and have identified that he really does have the ability to develop into something pretty great, point out those things he's doing well and get... resistance..

This board is so bipolar... Can the cliff jumpers just get it over with already or are you indecisive about that too?

When it comes to Bennett, he's the highest pick in Flames history, has shown some good things and is developing. Was he rushed? Absolutely.
Does he need to put up points to be successful at this level? I don't think that's the priority right now.

If coaching can focus on his positioning, defensive responsibility, and he keeps up his skatimg, at worst I see him as a Backlund 2.0 at 25 years old.

The more I think about it, Backlund followed a very similar path. The style Bennett plays is very similar to an early on Backlund, difference is when Backlund tried to be physical the way Sam does, Backs would get hurt.

Let me ask this, if you knew you would get Backlund 2.0 at 25 years old out of Sam, would you even consider trading him?

I sure the hell wouldnt.
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Count me in the group who thinks it’s time to give up on Bennett being a Center. He wins faceoffs but he’s not creating any sort of offense and has had quite a few defensive lapses. Jankowski has proven to be a very good 2 way Center at every level he’s played. I’d be willing to live with some growing pains as he gets adjusted to being a Center in the big leagues. Can’t be any worse than what we’ve gone through with Bennett. Having Jankowski up and Bennett to the wing creates a hell of a lot more options for Gulutzan.

Gaudreau-Monahan-Jagr/Ferland/Bennett
Tkachuk-Backlund-Frolik
Versteeg-Jankowski-Bennett/Jagr/Ferland/Brouwer
Any combo of: Hamilton/Glass/Lazar/Brouwer/Ferland on the 4th.
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