Friedman's 31 thoughts Dec 4 - Flames laughed off lowball offers for Bennett

[CSharp]

A couple of seasons ago:

Other teams: "Hey Tre, I'll give you a bag of pucks for Bennett"
Tre: click

Two seasons from now:

Tre: "Anyone want Bennett for a bag of pucks?"
crickets...

Bennett isn't that bad, yet, if you still can get something for him. Worse thing that can happen is if he ends up like another Stajan where no one wants to take him and he retires in a Flames uniform and basically achieved nothing in the end for himself and for the organization.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Ok, it's every other gm that talks and not treliving.

Does saying I think a guy with good media relationships is good for the organization jive with my massive anti-flames point of view? That, with this most recent Peter's debacle, having a GM with a solid relationship among the leagues most important opinion makers saved us all a lot of grief?

Does that fit into my massive anti flames point of view or does it suggest you are completely intolerant to anything even approaching criticism about the team, iamnotkenking?

Where did you say "a guy with good media relationships is good for the organisation", Flash Walken, I must have missed that.
I just saw the initial drive by, and then this:

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Since treliving arrived, one of the leakiest organizations around imo.

I readily admit I wear Flames-coloured glasses, but will call them out, but drive-bys are not my preferred method of so doing.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by CSharp

Bennett isn't that bad, yet, if you still can get something for him. Worse thing that can happen is if he ends up like another Stajan where no one wants to take him and he retires in a Flames uniform and basically achieved nothing in the end for himself and for the organization.

Worst thing that can happen is the Flames move him to another organization (to make it the worst in division or in Canada) and he then goes on to become a 20 goal 50pt pest and all we get is a mid round pick.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by CSharp

A couple of seasons ago:

Other teams: "Hey Tre, I'll give you a bag of pucks for Bennett"
Tre: click

Two seasons from now:

Tre: "Anyone want Bennett for a bag of pucks?"
crickets...

Bennett isn't that bad, yet, if you still can get something for him. Worse thing that can happen is if he ends up like another Stajan where no one wants to take him and he retires in a Flames uniform and basically achieved nothing in the end for himself and for the organization.

It is times like this that we need to remember that Bennett is the same age as Mangiapane. Sure Bennett has not lived up to expectations, and 23 is no longer young, but statistically speaking age 24-27 are the peak production years for NHL forwards. The Flames should not sell low on a player who can provide what he does, at the cap hit he has.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by CSharp

A couple of seasons ago:

Other teams: "Hey Tre, I'll give you a bag of pucks for Bennett"
Tre: click

Two seasons from now:

Tre: "Anyone want Bennett for a bag of pucks?"
crickets...

Bennett isn't that bad, yet, if you still can get something for him. Worse thing that can happen is if he ends up like another Stajan where no one wants to take him and he retires in a Flames uniform and basically achieved nothing in the end for himself and for the organization.

If he's that bad in two seasons from now, Flames just have to simply walk away from his arbitration ruling and he will become UFA *crickets*

[united]

Too bad the Flames and Ducks couldn’t get the pre-expansion trade that had Bennett and Lindholm as the main pieces over the finish line. Would have been a huge win for the Flames as tough as it would have been to see Bennett leave and join a division rival. The Flames didn’t want to lose the physicality and intangible aspect of Bennett’s positive impact in the dressing room, but overrated those impacts relative to what Lindholm was going to deliver.

[EVERLAST]

If I had to choose Bennett or Jankowski right now......see ya MARK.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

Where did you say "a guy with good media relationships is good for the organisation", Flash Walken, I must have missed that.
I just saw the initial drive by, and then this:



I readily admit I wear Flames-coloured glasses, but will call them out, but drive-bys are not my preferred method of so doing.

I'm going to need a definition of a drive by. The mod team won't supply one so I assume it's one of those things when you know it when you see it and want to punish it.

You never asked about my opinion on the leaks because you were already elbows deep on your computer accusing a guy who has posted on this board for 15 years of a massive anti flame point of view.

Afterall, a guy critical of an organization as successful as the flames must have a massive anti flames point of view. Those criticisms couldn't possibly have any merit to them.

United, could you detail for those of us with addled minds about the specifics of the Lindholm for Bennett swap you're talking about?

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by EVERLAST

If I had to choose Bennett or Jankowski right now......see ya MARK.

IMO both players aren't even in the same conversation. At 25 Jankowski is who he is, and that I am afraid ain't much.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by united

Too bad the Flames and Ducks couldn’t get the pre-expansion trade that had Bennett and Lindholm as the main pieces over the finish line. Would have been a huge win for the Flames as tough as it would have been to see Bennett leave and join a division rival. The Flames didn’t want to lose the physicality and intangible aspect of Bennett’s positive impact in the dressing room, but overrated those impacts relative to what Lindholm was going to deliver.

Flames were going to get Hampus Lindholm for Bennett at one point? I did not hear about that? Any other details?

[CroFlames]

Two firsts for Hall is too steep. He is too inconsistent and he's a winger.

Trade for Palmeiri who can slot into the top six at a fraction of the cost.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I'm going to need a definition of a drive by. The mod team won't supply one so I assume it's one of those things when you know it when you see it and want to punish it.

You never asked about my opinion on the leaks because you were already elbows deep on your computer accusing a guy who has posted on this board for 15 years of a massive anti flame point of view.

Afterall, a guy critical of an organization as successful as the flames must have a massive anti flames point of view. Those criticisms couldn't possibly have any merit to them.

United, could you detail for those of us with addled minds about the specifics of the Lindholm for Bennett swap you're talking about?

I note you did not address my query regarding your "good media relationships" comment.

A "drive-by" post is one which does not provide any benefit to the conversation itself, but is simply meant to inflame.

Criticisms are fine, and unfortunately warranted at times.

Posts like "I was told once the Flames didn't leak" are clearly drive-bys, meant to stir the pot (deliberately proliferate tension and drama), or come across as holier than thou (acting superior or condescending), but do not add anything to the conversation or discussion.

Having different views and engaging in discussion is welcome.

Hope that helps!

[Erick Estrada]

That asking price for Hall is over the top for a pending UFA. If you think you have a shot of signing him in the offseason why pay that price?

[Harry Lime]

Oilers can actually pull it off, if they offer the rights to Pulijarvi, Yamamoto and an unprotected first.

They would have to include Sam Gagner, and NJ would have to eat the difference in cap space, to make it fit. If I were New Jersey, I would consider it.

Edmonton would have to buy out Kris Russell in the offseason and run with a league minimum backup goalie and defensive replacements. That would get them into the 8M range to offer Hall on an extension.

Do it Edmonton. Do it.

[BrennyBaller]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Two firsts for Hall is too steep. He is too inconsistent and he's a winger.

Trade for Palmeiri who can slot into the top six at a fraction of the cost.

I'd love to get Palmieri, he's exactly the type of player we need. However, I doubt NJD is going to be doing a full tear down. Likely trade Hall for futures and near-future help, and build around Hughes, Hischier, Palmier etc.

[the2bears]

I just don't think Hall would be at all interested in signing with Edmonton again.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

That asking price for Hall is over the top for a pending UFA. If you think you have a shot of signing him in the offseason why pay that price?

Get him for an extra playoff run I suppose?

An extended Duchene would have cost the Jackets 2 1st and 2 meh prospects (he didn’t sign so the rental price was a single 1st with the meh prospects)
An extended Stone cost a high end prospect, a warm body and a 2nd

Hall is going to fall somewhere in that mix and it sounds like the Devils preference is a young left shot D

[Jeff Lebowski]

Miles Wood is big and fast...

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Oilers can actually pull it off, if they offer the rights to Pulijarvi, Yamamoto and an unprotected first.

They would have to include Sam Gagner, and NJ would have to eat the difference in cap space, to make it fit. If I were New Jersey, I would consider it.

Edmonton would have to buy out Kris Russell in the offseason and run with a league minimum backup goalie and defensive replacements. That would get them into the 8M range to offer Hall on an extension.

Do it Edmonton. Do it.

I doubt that gets anything close to done. Pulijarvi isn't anything but a reclamation project, Yamamoto is starting to look like an undersized bust. The first doesn't have that much value while the Oilers are hot.


I would expect that the Devils starting point would be Bouchard and and the first.



As well 8 m on an extension, basically Hall is going to wait for free agency because his agent knows they'll be a huge bidding war for him.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Toonage

I'd be curious what constitutes a "lowball" offer from those teams?

Puljujarvi.